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PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 12:05 am 
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I have seached around the new for a decently priced Holographic sight or scope, but I am unsure about the ones I have seen. I would love to have an EOtech but they are out of my price range. I am wanting to pay around $120 max. I would like some input and maybe pics of what you guys have on ya'lls semi autos. I have seen some nice ones at Cabelas and would prefer a scope over just a little tab sight. Please let me know and as always, your input is appreciated. :thumb:

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As far as I know, you will be hard-pressed to find an holographic sight for under $200. Reflex sights, however, are all over the place and some fairly good quality glass could be had for around the $150 mark. I love the Vortex StrikeFire, which costs just over $130 at Brownells and MidwayUSA with a C&R discount. Another reflex sight that has gotten some good reviews is the Bushnell TRS-25, which will run you about $80. Another micro dot like the Bushnell and at the same price point is the Primary Arms Micro Dot, which I do own and like.


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Are you talking about one of these ?
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30 Bucks ! :thumb:
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I like just the dot best ! :thumb:

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 11:06 am 
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I have one like SniperTomT has pictured, Sightmark brand, about $30-$40. I like it.

Have several tube style red dots, all cheap models, all work fine out to 100 yards or so, after that, the large dots make seeing any real target hard.

When you say holographic scope...I assume you mean just red dot scopes, or would an illuminated or regular crosshair scope work for you? Do you want magnification? That would change things.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 11:26 am 
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Dr. Thunder, thanks for your input. Sniper tom, thanks for the pics, and that is a real nice red dot. But to the other post, if I could find a decent illuminated scope or red dot scope with a tad magnificatio, I wouldnt mind it at all, can you post a link of what you had in mind.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 1:18 pm 
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Hearing good things about the CenterPoint illuminated mildot reticle scopes at Walmart...they are by Crosman, but seem to be OK for the guys using them on rifles.

There is a Bushnell Banner 3-9X40 out there, with illuminated crosshairs, at around $100.

And a TruGlo 2X red dot at under $100 before shipping...choose the button under available options that says 2X...http://www.opticsplanet.net/truglo-red-dot-30mm.html

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Thanks for the link SniperTom, I really like those red dot sights. Can anyone give me a quick schooling on the sight meanings? I see some say 1x30mm and some are 1x42mm and they vary. What is the meaning of these measurements? :think:

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1 time magnification & a 30 mm Objective Lens ! :thumb:

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So a 3-9X40 would mean what you see is 3 to 9 times bigger than life, and the 40 is how big the front lens is. A 1X magnification means NO magnification, really.

Bigger barrels on red dots usually mean they are easier to see through, and give you slightly more peripheral vision through the scope. But they can also let too much light in, making it harder to see the dot in bright daylight. Most red dots can get so bright that it isn't an issue, but, you never know until you try them.

A bigger lens on a magnifying scope usually means more light, easier to see through, and easier to see in low light conditions, like dawn or dusk; and possibly a wider angle of view. But too big may mean the rings need to be taller, to get the scope higher, so it can fit over the barrel, and that means your face is possibly higher than you'd prefer for a good cheek weld.

Also, scopes tend to come in two main sizes, 30 mm tubes, or 1" tubes. If it doesn't come with it's own rings, you must get the correct ones for your tube.

And...red dots often talk about how big their dot is. A 5 MOA dot covers about 5 inches at 100 yards, making it hard to precisely aim at small things at long range. Better red dots will get down to 2 MOA or smaller. Some cheaper red dots, like the reflex sights in snipertom's links, will use multiple reticles, like a circle reticle, so you can see the middle, and still aim at smaller stuff.

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I have one of these.
http://www.mgimilitary.com/store/index. ... ucts_id=13

I had one for better than five years and have used it on a AR, a shotgun, and even on a Mauser. Tough as nails. A guy on ARFCOM did a torture test on one and ended up destroying the AR upper it was on rather than the SPOT. Is it a Aimpoint? No but about the only real difference is the battery life. In fact I think the glass is better and the dot sharper on higher settings to boot.

Unless you are just going to use one of the $30-$50 reflex red dots on a .22 I would go with a fixed 4X scope in that price range. Most of the low-end reflex sights are pretty much junk. The biggest failing with the ones you can switch reticles on is a shift in POA. Not a good thing. No dought there will be a person or three that will find one that will work right but I ain't seen one yet that worked over the long haul on anything bigger than a .22 or pellet rifle.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 5:43 pm 
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Really, I gotta agree with 1srelluc about preferring the scope over the cheap red dots; everything he mentions is an issue.

What gun are you actually looking at putting it on?

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This is hard to beat !
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Good-old Ver-power scope ! :snooty: :whistle:

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 6:29 pm 
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ajole wrote:
Really, I gotta agree with 1srelluc about preferring the scope over the cheap red dots; everything he mentions is an issue.

What gun are you actually looking at putting it on?


I can see his point. But I am going to take my chances with a CAI Golani Sporter.


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