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French Rifles in German hands

Les Fusils Militaires Français, Chassepot, Gras, Lebel, Berthier et MAS 36
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French Rifles in German hands

#1 Post by indy1919a4 » Sat Aug 04, 2018 6:50 pm

Unfortunately these photos where on the internet for sale individually , and were removed from their album so it is tough to know if these
photos are related or of the same unit.. But just wonderful rich photos..
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#2 Post by indy1919a4 » Sat Aug 04, 2018 6:53 pm

heck I can only seem to load one at a time. This one had a date of June 1942 on the back..
Now I my be judgemental here but this does not hit me as a Front line unit.. Do not know if those are
3 shot or 5 shot Berthiers..
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#3 Post by indy1919a4 » Sat Aug 04, 2018 6:56 pm

My favorite love the 1886s in use..
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#4 Post by Tuna » Sun Aug 05, 2018 7:58 pm

Lots of conscripts from different countries were armed with French weapons like these. That and some clerks, mechanics, laborers or any other second line units got these rifles. Some German navy units had French rifles too.

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#5 Post by indy1919a4 » Sun Aug 05, 2018 8:37 pm

The thing that always got me was the resupply of this French ammo to those german units, The Germans captured like 60 days of combat ammo for the guns. But from everything I have read, when the ammo was gone, there was no allowance to make more.. And the Germans figured those units would be destroyed before they ran out of ammo.. Cynical but I guess it is somewhat true..

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#6 Post by kelt » Mon Aug 06, 2018 1:38 pm

indy1919a4 wrote:
Sun Aug 05, 2018 8:37 pm
The thing that always got me was the resupply of this French ammo to those german units, The Germans captured like 60 days of combat ammo for the guns. But from everything I have read, when the ammo was gone, there was no allowance to make more.. And the Germans figured those units would be destroyed before they ran out of ammo.. Cynical but I guess it is somewhat true..
Several French ammunition factories under Nazi control (Tarbes, Toulouse, Le Mans….) made 8x50R (1932N) with head stamps dated 4/43 to 2/44.

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#7 Post by indy1919a4 » Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:49 pm

You raise a good point, and I had read that Vichy made ammo for Germany.. Does anyone have any idea how much ammo was made???

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#8 Post by Airforce1 » Wed Aug 08, 2018 3:50 am

They made it around all of Europe. Hell partizans killed El Duce with a French SMG. Germans would have issued it to anyone who could use it in defense of the Reich at the end.

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#9 Post by kelt » Wed Aug 08, 2018 8:04 am

indy1919a4 wrote:
Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:49 pm
You raise a good point, and I had read that Vichy made ammo for Germany.. Does anyone have any idea how much ammo was made???
The Vichy administration had no control over the French military factories, They were under Nazi administration.

At least three ammunition manufacturer were tasked with producing 1932N cartridges in 1943/44, quantities unknown. The cases are steel with German style head stamp markings.

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#10 Post by indy1919a4 » Wed Aug 08, 2018 11:58 pm

Looked for a few more photos

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