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Lebel prices

#1 Post by jcwallace84 » Sun Oct 13, 2019 2:28 am

What are current lebel M93 prices, for a numbers matching in decent shape type of rifle? I've seen between 1,100 and 1,900 on forums and gunbroker.

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Re: Lebel prices

#2 Post by indy1919a4 » Sun Oct 13, 2019 12:14 pm

The prices do seem to be on the rise in all the French guns.. Almost amazing to me, I remember when you picked one up "real" collectors looked down on them. I would like to think you can pick one up under 900 if you shake the bushes and watch and wait.

Here is one in the 700 range, not to bad

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/828451470

I do not know where you are in your life of collecting.. But I think the prices of the R35 carbine convertions
seem to have come down alittle.. and that is a Damn fine rifle..

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#3 Post by SWIHARTMARK » Sun Oct 13, 2019 7:34 pm

Get a real authentic non-matching Lebel as what served in the field..... Mine went to the arsenal 3 times. I look for a good bore more than matching numbers. While mine is somewhat of a mutt, the bore is excellent.

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#4 Post by jcwallace84 » Mon Oct 14, 2019 4:26 pm

Well that one example sure isn't a bad price.

I'm not at that point in life, or may never desire to be, where I can afford or want an original matching excellent condition example of almost anything, as they are so expensive. I have the predominate rifles of every country for WWII, save for the more obscure semi auto's from Germany and Russia. No pistols yet. But as far as WWI, I don't have a Gew98, or a Lebel.

I just saw an R35 go for $465 https://www.gunbroker.com/item/835295068

All of the lebels recently have gone for $1,200 and one for 1,900. That would tie with the most expensive firearms I own, modern or old!

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#5 Post by indy1919a4 » Mon Oct 14, 2019 5:13 pm

jcwallace84 wrote:
Mon Oct 14, 2019 4:26 pm
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I just saw an R35 go for $465 https://www.gunbroker.com/item/835295068

Now that is a nice looking rifle. Some can look pretty rugged. I like the R35s alot because they smack of desperation upgrades and pre 1940 fall of France.. I think if you search and wait a bit on Gunbroker you can pick
up a pretty good deal.

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#6 Post by SWIHARTMARK » Mon Oct 14, 2019 5:38 pm

Check out prices starting in November. Usually you can get a deal before Christmas if you look long enough. Now is a good time to confirm pricing.

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BTW, I stayed away from pistols since they were so expensive as compared to military surplus rifles.

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#7 Post by jcwallace84 » Mon Oct 14, 2019 10:04 pm

That auction I posed is one I did bid on. I was really hoping that people searching for "Lebel" would not find this one called a "Label" haha. I only found it when I put in 1886.

Thanks for the tips guys! Maybe I'll get a lebel sometime soon!

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#8 Post by capt14k » Tue Oct 15, 2019 4:58 am

I sold some bolt mismatch Lebels 2-3 years ago. Paid $100 and $200 for them a couple months before selling because I couldn't find ammo. Had them on forums $400 buy both for $700. After two weeks and one offer of $500 moved to GunBroker with starting bid of $299. $100 One sold for $885 and the one I paid $200 for sold for $1535. So deals can be found. All matching though on GunBroker is going to be near the higher end.

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#9 Post by les1234 » Wed Oct 16, 2019 1:13 pm

To the OP, if you are looking for a WW1 example, the R-35 won't fit. Do you already have any Berthier? Any of them would qualify as WW1 French. I believe that a few years ago, the Lebels were designated as officially "Antique" in France, reducing the restrictions on owning them, and some of the price increase may be due to rifles being sought to "re-patriate" to France. Berthiers were not classed as antiques, though. Most French rifles have been "re-arsenaled" at least once, so some mixed numbers are ok. Just be sure, before you bid on any rifles missing any small parts, research the availability of those parts. Many are near impossible to find.

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#10 Post by indy1919a4 » Wed Oct 16, 2019 1:25 pm

les1234 wrote:
Wed Oct 16, 2019 1:13 pm

I believe that a few years ago, the Lebels were designated as officially "Antique" in France, reducing the restrictions on owning them, and some of the price increase may be due to rifles being sought to "re-patriate" to France. Berthiers were not classed as antiques, though. Most French rifles have been "re-arsenaled" at least once, so some mixed numbers are ok. Just be sure, before you bid on any rifles missing any small parts, research the availability of those parts. Many are near impossible to find.
Never heard that the 1886 rifles being sought after in France... That would be cool.. and Amen on the parts availability issue.

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#11 Post by kelt » Wed Oct 16, 2019 6:47 pm

indy1919a4 wrote:
Wed Oct 16, 2019 1:25 pm
les1234 wrote:
Wed Oct 16, 2019 1:13 pm

I believe that a few years ago, the Lebels were designated as officially "Antique" in France, reducing the restrictions on owning them, and some of the price increase may be due to rifles being sought to "re-patriate" to France. Berthiers were not classed as antiques, though. Most French rifles have been "re-arsenaled" at least once, so some mixed numbers are ok. Just be sure, before you bid on any rifles missing any small parts, research the availability of those parts. Many are near impossible to find.
Never heard that the 1886 rifles being sought after in France... That would be cool.. and Amen on the parts availability issue.
The prices in France for Mle 1886 rifles are very high, they are listed as antiques but as such cannot be fired.

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#12 Post by jcwallace84 » Wed Oct 16, 2019 7:22 pm

I do have a Berthier M16, which kindof covers both World Wars eh? I don't have a MAS 36 though. If I were to get another French rifle it would be the Lebel I think. It's historical significance goes beyond just being a French WWI rifle, to me anyway, which puts it on my list. True about the R35 not being authentic to WWI, but I thought for $300 or so it'd be cool, but then the auction got bid up. I have a few things that don't fully match but that's ok with me.

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#13 Post by indy1919a4 » Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:15 am

kelt wrote:
Wed Oct 16, 2019 6:47 pm


The prices in France for Mle 1886 rifles are very high, they are listed as antiques but as such cannot be fired.


So may I ask what is the price of them over there...??? Also how can they not be fired.?? Have are they modified.??

Also I assume that there is no ammo for them????

Thanks for letting us know..

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#14 Post by kelt » Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:46 am

Below 1K you find onlly wrecks, it is worthwile to re-import good Lebel from abroad.

Administratively antics are not weapons and can be owned like another piece of furniture.To be allowed by law to .use antics fireams in their owner has to be a registered sport shooter or hunter.

Ammunition and handloading components is available at Gunsmith.

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#15 Post by SWIHARTMARK » Sat Oct 19, 2019 8:26 pm

You know, a cheaper way to acquire a rifle of this era is to get a Mauser 1871/1884 or a Kropatchek by Steyr. While both are black powder cartridge rifles, they do have a similar type tube magazine. Cases, bullets and reloading tooling aren't as easy to come by though. I have had to make my own more or less or come across tooling with the purchase of the rifles. Still, they seem a lot less than a bonafide Lebel. Of course, they just don't have the same character or distinct looks. The Lebel is no other.

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