Military Surplus k98ks commonly found at gun shows

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Re: Military Surplus k98ks commonly found at gun shows

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After watching the Classic unboxing video of these rifles....
https://www.classicfirearms.com/k98-cze ... =1&slide=0
These are from an Ethiopian source all with the Saint George, circular, stamped medallion/cartouche on the right side of the stock. All are early 1945 dated rifles. Some have nice rack numbers. These two guys are a joke- no mention of the two most important factors.

I could see that one rifle has a matching bolt. (shown below) It is funny that there is no mention of matching bolts or bore conditions. I saw no cosmo, so it would not have been too hard to gauge the bore and matching specimens like Classic did to the RC's that they sold many years ago. Each rifle was described individually and had different prices. Back with the original owners of Classic, around 2004, the Russian capture K98ks came out with about 25--40 each week, all were individually described in detail with a variety of prices depending on what you get. A much better way to sell these firearms than a "luck of the draw" and at $700... BITE ME. For a matching bolt, good bore with wear, uncracked stock, and clear medallion in "as found" condition: $700 is fair. However, anything less is suckers bait... Ya, a little harsh, but how many are in good condition? And did they send off the best to be destroyed by JRA into historical travesties and keep the dogs to ship out to the suckers? I wonder? Why not be honest and list a valid description for each rifle so one knows what they are buying at $700. Is that too much to ask?
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The rifle shows serial number 3046 on a receiver and the bolt---how many match is not known or even mentioned. I assume the best were selected to go to JRA for a Mitchell-like Turd conversion;
A view of what not to do to a historical piece:
https://www.classicfirearms.com/k98-cze ... =1&slide=0

I guess I need to take my Luger with papers and have it re-blued to increase its value :roll: :lol: :snooty: :snooty:
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Re: Military Surplus k98ks commonly found at gun shows

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A few more views of these Czech Ethiopian K98ks from Classic's video (dot,swp, dou) 1945 production;
The import mark is on the barrel. Who's we do not know. Someone buy one and post pictures of it and the details.
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Rack numbers on some rifles
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Receiver views and condition as out of the crate.
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Some believe these to be possible old SAMCO stock that was Ethiopian surplus from the old Samco auction. There were ads in the 1995 and 1996 Surplus Firearms magazine. These: http://www.surplusrifleforum.com/viewto ... f=87&t=108
I seem to recall seeing these Mausers in Samco's print ads, back when I was receiving them in the late 1990s and early 2000s. If my memory is right, they had several grades available. They ranged from nearly unissued, to kind of beat up. I think they also had some barrelled actions, as well. I was then--and still am--collecting mostly for the national crests. So these, as well as most other K98 types, didn't fit.
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Re: Military Surplus k98ks commonly found at gun shows

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CZECH DOT 1945 MAUSER - Inter Ordnance
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Interordnance 's description:

https://www.interordnance.com/p/czech-dot-1945-mauser
CZECH DOT 1945 MAUSER

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CZECH DOT 1945 MAUSER

* About the Grading -The rifles have dents, dings, scrapes, gouges, discoloration and possible small cracks in the stocks. You can also expect anywhere from minimal bluing wear to a lot of bluing wear, and we have even seen some surface rust on a few. We have not seen any rust that would not clean up well. We do offer a hand select for cosmetics that will offer you one of the nicer looking ones if that is your desire but please know that even a hand select is not going to be gorgeous.... just one of the better ones in the group.

Now for the good news, as we said before these rifles have been stored intact in a military depot for quite some time. As such, they are as close to true military turn in Mauser rifles as I have ever seen. By that I mean that they do not appear to be parted together " Frankenstein " guns. Also know, that while we do not guarantee for matching numbers we have seen some that do match. In addition to that, these are very consistent in color and as a group have a certain uniformity about them that makes them appear to be true military turn in's which I am certain that they are. As a matter of fact, in that manner they are very similar to our Chinese military turn in SKS rifles.

We do not warranty for cosmetic's as we have tried to be as honest as possible in describing these rifles. As such, if the possibility of receiving a rifle that is less than a beauty queen is a deal breaker, then don't order one. However, we do warranty them for function and we think that they are a tremendous value as they are as close to military turn-in's as we have ever seen for long stored Mauser's.

Don't let my overly honest description of the rifles fool you. We always try to allow for the lower end in the bunch when describing our surplus because let's face it, someone is going to get the ugliest one there. Having said that, these rifles have not been as readily available in the U.S. marketplace for several years now and we are proud to be able to offer them at what we think is a fantastic price. Get yours today.

No Mauser collection is complete without the addition of one of these rare Banner rifles. .... Don't Miss This.......C & R Eligible

Important - As noted above these are arsenal turn in rifles and while we have done a dry function test here before shipping, the rifles have not had the bores cleaned nor have they been checked by a gunsmith. As with all surplus firearms the rifle should be thoroughly cleaned before firing. Also, please be sure that the bore is clear and unobstructed. Finally, a good rule of thumb with any surplus is to have your local gunsmith do a safety check before attempting to fire.

C&R OR FFL REQUIRED
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Inter Ordnance TGF 1950 CZECH MAUSERs 98

Also out of stock. I am not sure if these are coming in or are already sold out at Inter ordnance? :shifty:
TGF 1950 CZECH MAUSER 98

FOR PRICING AND AVAILABILITY PLEASE EMAIL SALES@IOINC.US

A super rare Czech made Mauser K.98 (TGF/Tschechische Gewehr Fabrik) made for the East German Border Guard. This Model K.98 carbine features the tgf code on top of the receiver. Only an extreme small quantity is available. The condition is fair. Please take a look at the pictures. We do have rifles with matching serial #. We also have rifles with different barrel bands. Please see a video on these guns at forgottenweapons.com.

* About the Grading -The rifles have dents, dings, scrapes, gouges, discoloration and possible small cracks in the stocks. You can also expect anywhere from minimal bluing wear to a lot of bluing wear, and we have even seen some surface rust on a few. We have not seen any rust that would not clean up well. We do offer a hand select for cosmetics that will offer you one of the nicer looking ones if that is your desire but please know that even a hand select is not going to be gorgeous.... just one of the better ones in the group.

Now for the good news, as we said before these rifles have been stored intact in a military depot for quite some time. As such, they are as close to true military turn in Mauser rifles as I have ever seen. By that I mean that they do not appear to be parted together " Frankenstein " guns. Also know, that while we do not guarantee for matching numbers we have seen some that do match. In addition to that, these are very consistent in color and as a group have a certain uniformity about them that makes them appear to be true military turn in's which I am certain that they are. As a matter of fact, in that manner they are very similar to our Chinese military turn in SKS rifles.

We do not warranty for cosmetic's as we have tried to be as honest as possible in describing these rifles. As such, if the possibility of receiving a rifle that is less than a beauty queen is a deal breaker, then don't order one. However, we do warranty them for function and we think that they are a tremendous value as they are as close to military turn-in's as we have ever seen for long stored Mauser's.

Don't let my overly honest description of the rifles fool you. We always try to allow for the lower end in the bunch when describing our surplus because let's face it, someone is going to get the ugliest one there. Having said that, these rifles have not been as readily available in the U.S. marketplace for several years now and we are proud to be able to offer them at what we think is a fantastic price. Get yours today.

No Mauser collection is complete without the addition of one of these rare Banner rifles. .... Don't Miss This.......C & R Eligible

Important - As noted above these are arsenal turn in rifles and while we have done a dry function test here before shipping, the rifles have not had the bores cleaned nor have they been checked by a gunsmith. As with all surplus firearms the rifle should be thoroughly cleaned before firing. Also, please be sure that the bore is clear and unobstructed. Finally, a good rule of thumb with any surplus is to have your local gunsmith do a safety check before attempting to fire.

C&R OR FFL REQUIRED
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Re: Military Surplus k98ks commonly found at gun shows

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I wonder if these are the rifles in this SAMCO pallet at the auction? NO.
This was a much earlier group not associated with these African imports. New information is coming out....

11 Feb 2020 Added information. These are another huge cache obtained in Africa by IO. It took IO eight years to get all the chickens in alinement so they could arrive in the US. And guess what, IO sold a good number of the first batch to Sweaty Ben at Classic so the price can be jacked up, and Classic can destroy historical treasures by sending some to James River Arsenal to referbish them into Mitchell-like Turds. Ya, lets REBLUE them to increase their value. :roll: :evil: The better part is IO kept some of the best, more batches are still arriving, and these should be for sale in the future. This is like the IMA Napal cache. Lets hope a reputable dealer actually gets some to remove the crap shoot factor.
old SAMCO stockroom - actually from the auction when it shut down
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IO picture of the hord imported in 2020, more views are shown in the video interview
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THIS IS A MUST LISTEN TO INTERVIEW by Forgotten Weapons.

:arrow: :arrow: :arrow: Forgotten Weapons Interordanance interview of importation of African weapons:
30 Jan 2020, Interview: Uli Wiegand of InterOrdnance on Importing Guns from Africa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5fO14v0tgg

Forgotten Weapons review of the Ethiopian FN Mauser - Czech K98, done today 11 Feb 2020, Arming the Lion of Judah: Ethiopian FN Mauser Rifles & Carbines
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1LbEyl8v3I

The talk on gun boards about the same rifles (INTERESTING HISTORY & PICTURES):
https://forums.gunboards.com/showthread ... an-Mausers
Also a list of what they imported in this link:
https://forums.gunboards.com/showthread ... an-Mausers

From the above gun boards reference:
Kevinofborg of gun boards show pictures of his second rifle, the first was sent back since as a select, it was not what was expected (DOG). Half of the receiver markings were gone- ya Ben, that is a select :lol: :doh: This is the first rifle shown on a forum that someone actually purchased. post # 54
source is: https://forums.gunboards.com/showthread ... sers/page2
These are Kevin's photos . Go to source for full size photos before they go to thumb nail size. No view of the import mark or mention of the import mark. Most likely a IO mark!
Classics's are all purchases from IO & resold at a huge mark up ??? In all of the views in the video or on line, I would say these rifles appear a wee bit Ruff for $700 + shipping + a select pick, + a possible FFL transfer fee :doh: :animals-dog: :animals-dogrun: :character-grommit:

Let me think, :think: IO kept some of the best as quoted in the interview, and Classic sent some of the better ones they had to be redone by JRA, -- so that leaves the worse in the Classic pile to sell at $700 a pop- now does that sound like sucker's bait to you? Or maybe, I am too harsh ... :whistle: :whistle: :whistle: :whistle:
I am going to wait and see if Inter Ordnance (IO) sells any of these as select with individual descriptions & pictures. :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray:
Maybe that old goat selecting his rifle in that pile has more common sense than most of Classic's buyers. He certainly is looking at them closely! :clap:
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RTI Royal Tiger Imports
RTI has a video link to the Czech Ethiopian Mausers and shows them in detail. Looks like a better selection than Classic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont ... =emb_title
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RTI
https://www.royaltigerimports.com/produ ... us0009.htm
RTI photos are from the sale and these may disappear after they are sold. I re posted them here to stay as documentation of their fine photos.
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RTI photos cont.



Description
Rare Rare Rare,
NEVER IMPORTED INTO THE US BEFORE!

Czech made K.98 K last war production with large winter trigger. These rifles were manufactured on German equipment in Czechoslovakia, at Brno and the Banská Bystrica plant. The codes are dot 45, swp 45 and dou 45.

The rifles were made for export to Ethiopia for the emperor Haile Selassie . The rifles are identical to the German made K.98K but instead of the NAZI eagle the rifles have the Czech lion stamped on the receiver and barrel.

Also the firearms have the “St. George” coin embedded in the stock as a symbol for Ethiopia. These guns were not known to exist. They are nowhere found in any literature.

The condition is good to very good. All rifles feature the large winter trigger magazine, a laminated stock and the late war stamped bands.

Overall we would say that these guns average about 50% of original bluing. These guns have been in Africa for 75 years and are in 100% original condition. Again these guns were not known to exist and are extremely rare. We only have a small quantity of these rifles available.

We do offer a hand select in which we will pick the best of 20 from any particular group.
This is a must for every collector.
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Talk of the town. Some interesting discussion about these on gun boards:
https://forums.gunboards.com/showthread ... an-Mausers
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A very interesting Russian capture, DOU, 1942, K98k showed up on the forum and is owned by Shanne B. See his original post:
http://www.surplusrifleforum.com/viewto ... 335#p27335
These original photos by the owner are much better in clarity than mine in the original post.

This RC has the original German left side serial number scrubbed and re stamped at the top edge of the receiver. I do not believe this was done by the Russian referb., rather, and I may be wrong , but I think this was a German rebuilt/field repaired rifle and was stamped by the Germans prior to its capture. Anyone that has knowledge about K98s please comment on this thought and rifle. Has any one seen another example of such a scrubbed Russian Capture example? Has anyone seen a non RC, original condition German K98k that has such markings where the original receiver serial number was damaged or scrubbed then restamped at the top of the receiver?

I have observed many Russian Captures, but never an example where the original German serial number on the left side of the receiver was scrubbed and restamped on the top. This number is not electro written; it is stamped. It is stamped in a sloppy manner with may be different size fonts- it is difficult to tell from the photo. I am not referring to the new, white, dot matrix import serial number. I am talking about the restamped 7372 on the receiver. All RCs generally have two matching items: the barrel and the receiver- both numbers match. The Russians did not change barrels or replace barrels.

On the Russian capture specimen owned by Shanne B all parts are miss matched and force matched by electro written pencil or line outs like most Russian Captures. There is no German barrel serial number visible and the receiver German serial number has been scrubbed and re stamped on the top edge of the receiver's top. Serial number is 7372 and is electro penciled on the bolt top, bolt sleeve, and top of the safety lever. The Russians also electro penciled the serial number on the inside of the sight leaf, the center of the floor plate, and the left side of the front band. Electro penciled line outs are visible on the rear band and the front band.

Here are views of the receiver and you can see where the original German serial number was removed. These pictures are photo snaps that enlarge to view details if clicked on.
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More views of the rifle, source its Shanne B photos
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More photos, Shanne B RC K98k rifle
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The final two of a nice RC by ShaneB photo source- all photos used with his permission.
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As of now this post has been restored except for page 6 , I am waiting to see if the author ffuries replies and can repost his 27 photos. There are slight additions and changes due to lost photos and photos moved back to the original post. Restored on 11 June 2020
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This is a Repost from page 6 of ffuries dot , 1944, K98k that the group decided was a Balkan Captured. After the 4 June 2020 switch to a new server these fine pictures of this specimen disappeared from p.6 and I could not add them back into ffuries post. Hence, I placed them here as a new post.
This K98k Balkan rifle is well photo documented with 26 photos and a great specimen- too good to lose.
All photos are taken by furies.


Post by ffuries » Sat Mar 24, 2018 7:27 pm

Ok here's my K98k that the group decided was a Balkan Captured. It's a DOT 44 and an interesting mix-master to say the least. The stock is not refinished like Russian Captures are, although it shows some shellacking but it's worn away where the rifle is handled most at. The metal is not refinished in anyway, there is a buttstock repair that is held together with wooden pegs. Rifle still had capture/locking screws in the trigger guard, but was missing the cleaning rod, and sight hood. Other than the few Waffenamts here and there, the Eagle and Swastika stampings have been completely scrubbed with what appears to be a soft hand and grinder. Rifle appears to have been well used and abused during its lifetime.

No Russian X on the reciever/barrel, no signs of buttstock having a SN added to it. No other markings other than SN in handguard channel on the stock.

Waffenamts:

Barrel band Waffenamt 655, Nose cap Waffenamt 214, Take down washer Waffenamt 214, Floor plate Waffenamt 135, Barrel band spring Waffenamt 135, Trigger guard assembly Waffenamt WaA63 and WaA83 (Maybe 63 poorly struck), Magazine follower Weimar Eagle 45

Serial numbers:

Barrel: 2802 ah, Rear sight, rear sight base: 2802, Rear sight slide: 02, Rear barrel band: 3578, Nose cap: 77, Trigger guard/housing: 3783, Magazine floor plate: 7819, Magazine follower: 31, Bolt body/handle root: 5709 and unknown single letter and lined out, Bolt safety catch, cocking piece, bolt sleeve: 1630, Bolt stem: 1630 very lightly EP’d, Handguard: 5082.

Other stampings:

Shield Dot 13, EV,
GPC W Hurley NY import stamp (Gun Parts Corporation aka Numrich)
As I remember I didn't find any Dirty Birds on it at all, just the various Waffenamts. I thought it was a Russian Capture at first, but yall shot that down pretty quick, and the collective agreement was it was a Balkan Capture, that had a long rough life. She's been rode hard, but she has lots of character, hence the reason I love it so much.

IIRC there was mention that the stock repairs was reminiscent of Yugoslavia handy work, but the rifle itself negates a Yugoslavia background. She's truly unique that is for sure, guess I have a thing for the ugly ducklings.....

I paid $270.00 for it in June 2015, well actually $370.00 but it came with a $100.00 worth of commercial ammo.
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Re: Military Surplus k98ks commonly found at gun shows

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ffuries dot, 1944, K98k Balkan
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Re: Military Surplus k98ks commonly found at gun shows

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ffuries dot , 1944, K98k
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