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PostPosted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 7:17 pm 
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I recently acquired a Lebel 1886/93 Chatellerault manufactured in 1900. Serial number is 74152, which matches the stock but the bolt is mismatched. Chamber is marked on the left side: M , B within a circle, D within a circle and 74152 preceded by two script letters that I’m unable to identify. The right side has MA and C1900. The rifle lacks the N modification.
However it is the naval anchor stamped on the heel of the butt plate that I find interesting. The anchor is very small, easy to miss especially if the metal is corroded or dirty, found on the butt plate tang just behind the upper screw.
Are there any records indicating navy issue and how many other Lebels are reported with the anchor stamp?
Any information is most appreciated.

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Tommy Ryan


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 7:45 pm 
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The anchor stamp is not what most people believe is the French Navy ... The anchor used on the buttplate is for French Colonial Forces called Troupes Coloniales which administered by the Ministre de la Marine and shared an anchor badge but they were not directly linked to the French Navy at all. There are quite a few Mle.1886's with this stamp on the buttplate ... I have two in my collection ... These weapons were used all over the world wherever France had colonies.
The records for these weapons are probably lost forever due to many different reasons ... two wars and time
The M code shows which private manufacturing firms, called the pourvoyeur de acier, provided the steel for the barrel which happens to be Compagnie des hauts fournaisses, forges et aciéries de fer à Saint Chamond (formerly Patin-Gaudet Co.)
The B within a circle is for the Supervising Officer, Directeur de Manufacture, who was in charge of that armory at the time and that was Lt. Colonel Jules, François, Joseph Bauret
The D within a circle is for Final Inspectors or Principal Arms Controller, Contrôleur Généraux Principaux and that happened to be Alfred Dutranoy

This picture might be able to help you identify the French script lettering on the barrel
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Patrick

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 8:17 am 
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Patrick:
Thanks so much for your kind reply regarding the anchor marked Mle. 1886. By any chance do you have documentation as to when the anchor mark was applied to weapons intended for the Ministre de la Marine? Was it also applied to pistols and bayonets?
Merry Christmas,
Tommy


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 11:18 am 
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Sorry no documentation at this time has surfaced as to time frame it was applied ... we probably will never know the real answer to this. Bayonets were marked with this anchor as well. There are a few different type pistols models that are definetely marked with the French Navy Type Anchor.
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