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What series is this Type 99 Short Rifle?

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What series is this Type 99 Short Rifle?

#1 Post by Bear » Fri Jan 18, 2019 7:08 pm

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This a friend’s rifle and he asked me to try and find out some info about it. I know it was made at the Nagoya arsenal and is serial number 630xx. I took a pictures of what I think are the series characters just below the mum but I can’t seem to match them to Japanese characters. I hope you can make them out. The very top of the middle character is a little ground off. I am also trying to find the proper length cleaning rod for the rifle. It has the square rod release button. A .22 cal cleaning rod only goes in 2 1/8”. Do I have something in there blocking it? I hope image works.

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Re: What series is this Type 99 Short Rifle?

#2 Post by Greenmachine » Fri Jan 18, 2019 7:44 pm

Those characters in your picture say type 99 if you read them from right to left. the arsenal and series characters are on the left side of the receiver next to the serial number

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Re: What series is this Type 99 Short Rifle?

#3 Post by 72 usmc » Fri Jan 18, 2019 8:05 pm

To old to fight and to old to run, a Jar head will just shoot and be done with you.

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Re: What series is this Type 99 Short Rifle?

#4 Post by Bear » Fri Jan 18, 2019 8:08 pm

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Ohhhh! My bad! On the left side all I see is the serial number followed by the Nagoya arsenal mark.

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Re: What series is this Type 99 Short Rifle?

#5 Post by 72 usmc » Fri Jan 18, 2019 8:10 pm

Can you show a photo? Here is a on line grap photo Source is Doc bill the middle # is the rifles serial number
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You may have a no series Nagoya. Does it have a monipod and aircraft sights?
see photos here all of mine are locked up & its snowing. https://www.gunsamerica.com/938099454/A ... tching.htm

https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/sho ... p?t=393580

more info here http://www.surplusrifleforum.com/viewto ... f=15&t=690
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Re: What series is this Type 99 Short Rifle?

#6 Post by Bear » Fri Jan 18, 2019 8:22 pm

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Anti-aircraft sights and holes for monopod. Seems like a no series rings a bell. What does that mean?

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Re: What series is this Type 99 Short Rifle?

#7 Post by 72 usmc » Fri Jan 18, 2019 8:23 pm

Here is a link to a no series Type 99. Photo from link below see
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http://www.surplusrifleforum.com/viewto ... f=15&t=776

It means O series, no series mark on rifle and an early war production rifle with a chrome bore. First production of 100,000 at Nagoya.
See this for a better explanation: http://surplused.com/rifle-japanese-arisaka-type-99/
Chrome lined bore are generally in great shape and the rifle should be a good shooter if the bolt matches. Should be 099. Is it matching with cleaning rod and sling? I assume the dust cover and pod was thrown away. Most USMC send back home rifles (bring backs) have the mum intact. Check out the old post about boxed specimens. Hint, never, never, never refinish the stock!
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Re: What series is this Type 99 Short Rifle?

#8 Post by Bear » Fri Jan 18, 2019 8:54 pm

It is all matching serial numbers without cleaning rod and monopod. The mounting holes are there for the monopod but it was not on there when my friend’s dad brought it back from Japan. He was among some of the first troops of occupation. Was with the 361st Special Engineer Regiment. It doe have the plastic (Bakelite) muzzle protector and a bayonet and scabbard. Bayo is one with straight quillion and rectangular hilt. Bayo is MINT!!! As I said I stuck a .22 cleaning rod in the rifle cleaning rod hole and it only went in 2 1/8”. I think something may be in there. Some have reported small shafts of bamboo in their rifles.

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Re: What series is this Type 99 Short Rifle?

#9 Post by 72 usmc » Fri Jan 18, 2019 8:58 pm

As for the rod it should be a 24 inch cleaning rod not the late war short rod. I assume the stock is original to the rifle? If the stock was switched it could use the short rod. most likely the button is not releasing due to dirt or rust on that rifle. it should be square. YOU have to push down on the square tab to allow a rod to fall out or a new rod to slide in. see
http://www.jouster2.com/forums/showthre ... 99-Arisaka

World war supply .com has decent reproduction cleaning rod & slings, but I would get an original at 70-90 bucks. You will be lucky to find one. If its going to be a shooter get a repro. sling. Originals are too rare and costly to actually use.

I will dig my rifle out and take some pictures on Sunday after our storm. I got a gun show to get to, so an hour drive may be a 25 mph crawl that takes 2 hours to get to the show depending on the snow total. Get all the documentation on that rifle you can. Picture of owner holding rifle and his written and signed story about the rifle.
Here is a free GI pdf manual http://www.mediafire.com/file/3qq29qcl4 ... Manual.pdf
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Re: What series is this Type 99 Short Rifle?

#10 Post by Bear » Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:05 pm

Thank you all for the wealth of info. The square button is free and pushes in easy but with a spring action. Could a 24” cleaning rod have slipped below the release mechanism? Maybe I just need to invert the rifle and tap the muzzle on a soft block of wood and see what comes out!

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Re: What series is this Type 99 Short Rifle?

#11 Post by 72 usmc » Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:23 pm

If the button is square and it should push in easy, and is spring loaded, the rod will just fall out. The cleaning rod is held in by the button latch that hooks onto a notch on the rod. The Type 99 rod does not screw into the stock, rather it just falls down in. Use a coat hanger wire and see if that fits inside the hole about 20 inches or so. If not, something is blocking the hole. Are your stock screws still staked and in place- never taken down after the staking -- that is good for value, but bad if trying to get the hole cleared. Keep it in the stock & no refinish.
:dance: :doh: :shhh: Ok as a trial case, I took my .22 rod and pushed my button down and my .22 cal. rod went in the cleaning rod hole to a depth of 21 1/4 inches. So you have an obstruction or the stock was switched and you have a late war stock?? Highly unlikely due to your square button. If your screws have been turned and are no longer are staked in place, you can take the action out of the wood without hurting the value. Try upside down and see if anything falls out, or use a tiny wire with a flat tip to sort of drill into the blockage and see if it's mud, wood, or metal. You can tell by the dust/chips that come out.
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Square button to push down
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notch on original rod that the button snaps onto
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Intact staked screw
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Chrome bore ring
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aircraft sight with wings
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Re: What series is this Type 99 Short Rifle?

#12 Post by 72 usmc » Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:32 pm

More shots USMC bring back
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Re: What series is this Type 99 Short Rifle?

#13 Post by Bear » Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:58 pm

The US manual is a great link..thanks. Wouldn’t it be something if that cleaning rod has been in there all the time!!!! My friend’s dad gave him this in about 1960 and he has always thought the rod was missing!!!

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Re: What series is this Type 99 Short Rifle?

#14 Post by Bear » Sat Jan 19, 2019 2:25 pm

Well, stupid me...when I said I put my .22 cleaning rod in the rifle cleaning rod hole and it only went in 2 1/8” that’s because I didn’t have the button depressed and it hit the button. Well I depressed it today and my .22 rod goes in about 21”. So much for the long hidden cleaning rod treasure!!! Empty hole!!!
Now I need to decide if I want an original or repro rod!!!!

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Re: What series is this Type 99 Short Rifle?

#15 Post by Bear » Sat Jan 19, 2019 6:00 pm

Called my friend and he agrees that we should try to get a repro rod and try to acquire both the dust cover and monopod in the long run. Oh, and a repro sling. Bore looks good so I’ll probably get to shoot it when his range is dry! Thanks everyone for your help! Here are a couple more pictures!
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