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Type 38 Carbine Mukden Arsenal Manchuria

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Type 38 Carbine Mukden Arsenal Manchuria

#1 Post by Hippycrowe » Sat May 18, 2019 2:39 pm

Picked this Type 38 Carbine today all matching with mum bought it to trade off someday has a dust cover but it doesn't match
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#2 Post by Hippycrowe » Sat May 18, 2019 2:41 pm

I have to order some ammo now
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#3 Post by vandle » Sat May 18, 2019 6:18 pm

Nice pick up
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#4 Post by indy1919a4 » Sat May 18, 2019 6:32 pm

Those carbines are so darn handy. They almost feel like toys compared to the full size rifles. Yours is very clean

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#5 Post by Hippycrowe » Sat May 18, 2019 7:13 pm

They do feel like toys

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#6 Post by slowbob2 » Mon May 20, 2019 9:10 pm

Too bad someone sanded and refinished the stock and it looks like they tried to remove the barrel from the vice marks on it .

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#7 Post by Hippycrowe » Tue May 21, 2019 11:06 pm

Its not been sanded marks are on one side not the other not sure what it is could have been in a vice. It still has all the scratches on it and handling marks.

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#8 Post by slowbob2 » Wed May 22, 2019 9:55 am

The rifle has clearly been sanded and refinished . The edges are all rounded and the color and finish is wrong . It also has clear vice marks on the barrel . But you know better .

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#9 Post by 72 usmc » Wed May 22, 2019 11:11 am

Unfortunately to me it also appears that the stock finish has been altered: touched up, heavily cleaned, waxed, a different stain rubbed in or something. Not sure what??? The dents have a dark finish in the hollows and if there are scratches they should be down to the bare wood not covered over with stain or colors- maybe wax or oil over the bare wood. It looks nice but, but from the computer pictures the finish appears altered. Still not a bad job. I will try to get some wood close ups of my Mukden for you. I got to find where it is . Its been in some storage for 10 years- I kind of forgot where I stashed it.

The wood surface just isn't correct if this photo is accurate. I would need more wood surface photos taken in normal light and out side in the sun. Maybe its just a bad photo?
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#10 Post by Hippycrowe » Wed May 22, 2019 11:22 am

It's not been sanded too many small and deep scratches if some one had sanded it the shallow ones would be gone
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#11 Post by 72 usmc » Wed May 22, 2019 11:26 am

add Thank You (After seeing the second photo I say no sanding and fully agree with you. Funny how picture can differ under the correct light. You really need to see a stock finish in person.) Just given a good rub & cleaning and the color is odd?? see these photos and maybe the stock really looks more like this & the pic is in the wrong light:
top photo is well oiled
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These last 2 are more the dry as found condition
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I am not trying to be over critical it is had too tell with Arisakas due to the color ranges. Lots of Japanese rifles were redone without sanding. Just a steel wool or green scrubby pad rub- something like Candymans BLO rub. It is still a nice rifle and should be a great shooter especially if the bolt matches. Do you actually see the small Jap characters as stock cartouches on the stock? On original stocks, the dents are not darkened by more color( generally) and the rubs and abrasions show dry wood unless someone re-oiled the stock with a furniture touch up oil with coloring in it. In some cases old rifles were rubbed down with dirty truck oil in the field that also changes the color. At least is is not sanded smooth like a hunting stock. Lets just say it was modified. I generally leave my stocks as found especially some rifle as nice as that metal.
Yes that second photo you added looks better. I think it was oiled and waxed just a wee bit too much for my taste. But most like a cleaned stock. In contrast I like them as found. I will look for mine and see what condition the stock is in. It has been so long since I have seen it, I can not remember. But any Mukden that is intact is a nice find. That second picture is much better & a more realistic look.
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#12 Post by 72 usmc » Wed May 22, 2019 11:48 am

I see its all matching. Odd about the grip marks- was it rebarreled? Is that an original cleaning rod? Looks too clean??
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#13 Post by slowbob2 » Wed May 22, 2019 3:15 pm

The rifle is 70 years old . If it was sanded and refinished 50 years ago it could have gotten a scratch or two in 50 years . I own over 400 Arisaka's and I know a sanded and refinished stock when I see one . You can see the old finish and dirt in the low areas where they were finished over . The finger groove in the stock is rounded at the edges . It has not been rebarreled , sometime in the past , maybe 50 years ago , someone tried to remove the barrel without the correct tools and could not get it off .

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#14 Post by leadhead » Wed May 22, 2019 5:10 pm

I have a mukden marked bayonet I found years ago.. I hear there hard to find.
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#15 Post by 72 usmc » Wed May 22, 2019 8:17 pm

Yes, bayonets are found at gun shows, but they want $125 plus for the dogs. I'd say I see one for every 40 or so other bayonets. They are a hard find in good condition. Here are some more pics of intact stocks and wood edges and finish on Mukdens:
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Compare yours and do you have a close up view. That is why Slowbob thinks it has been sanded. He has a valid point, it could have been refinished in the late 1940s and used as a hunting gun. Pay close attention to cleaning rod, cartouche, and wood edges. All in all, not a bad example if you got it cheep like $250 or so. I am still looking for my rifle?? I also have a type 44 where the grip is worn smooth on one side from use on a horse saddle. Here are 2 nice intact Libertytree Library reference carbines that shows intact finish and edges with real nice photos ( they always have professional photos):
CHERCK THESE SPECIMENS OUT :arrow:

Very nice original ---what a finish :shock: :o
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Beat, but intact nice. they kind of stuff I can afford :doh: :lol:
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