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PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 11:39 pm 
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My brother-in law recently was given an old Japenese rifle. Yeah, the given part hurts me to. We hit some old military arms books to see what it is. It turns out to be 1887 single shot Murata type 13 in 11mm. The overall condition and rifling looks good. Does anyone have any links for more info or know if ammo can be found for this relic?
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 9:24 am 
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ammo is near impossible to be found. if you can find it, one round should run you about $150 or so.

what kind of info are you searching for other than what you already know?

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 11:18 am 
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In March, 13 Meiji (1880) the Murata rifle made by infantry Marjor Murata Tsuneyoshi, from his own disign, was adopted as the military rifle of Japan. The Murata rifle, which was a great invention in the Japanese military industry, was not only the first small arms made in the new style from a Japanese design, but it was also the origin of all the domestic rifles made there after. In the same month work was started on remodeling Chassepot rifles into Muratas.

The type 13 was a single shot, 11 mm caliber, turn bolt rifle. The design resembled the 1874 French Gras and the 1871 Dutch Beaumont. In 1883, a calvary version was adopted and 7,000 Muratas were manufactured. By 1884, 30,000 rifles were produced each year. The rifle was produced untill 1885 and at least 58675 Type 13 rifles can be documented. (taken from Japanese Military Tifles 1543-2000 edited by Doss and Ruth White)

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 8:26 pm 
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Thanks for the replies. One thing I was curious about is if any one has tried reforming brass from other large calibers to fit this thing. This caliber is a new one on me, I`ve never seen one of these rifles before. After reading JarJars reply I think I need to tell my brother-in-law he has a really nice wall hanger. #-o


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 9:08 pm 
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definite wall hanger my friend. old black powder cartridges are tough to replicate and you dont want to risk hurting the rifle or yourself!

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If you presist in reloading for this old rifle see John Dunnelly's book page 963 and it tells you how. If I had your rifle I probably would make cartridges for it but would not fire it. I have made cartridges for several guns I have never fired. riceone.

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The rifle will probably never be shot,but knowing more on the subject is irresistible. I googled the name John Donnelly and came up with a book called "The Handloaders Manual of Cartridge Conversion." Is this the book you are referring too?


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 10:47 am 
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Yes that is the book. Invaluable if you need to make all these old guns shoot. riceone

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Here's a site with more info & pictures:
http://members.shaw.ca/ursacki/muratat18pix.htm

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one round just popped up on gunboards! its inert, but its original. price i think is $150. its a rare bird, so dont pass it up if you want it.

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nevermind, they just sold.

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I have a friend who it writing a book on the Murata. When its out I will post it on this board too. riceone

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http://militaryrifles.com/Japan/Murata13.htm

If I recall correctly, you can make ammo out of Gras cases

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