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1917 PTG M91 Japanese trainer

1891, 91/30, M38, M44, 91/59, P-series, M27, M28, M28-30 and M39
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1917 PTG M91 Japanese trainer

#1 Post by ssg_lord » Wed Jun 21, 2017 10:16 pm

Thought I'd share some of my recent finds in honor of Surplus Rifle forums rebirth(and to boost my post count) So anyway about a month and a half ago or so I stopped at one of the LGS's I frequent and spotted a M91 in a stack of rifles behind the counter, he literally had to move a Highpoint carbine out of the way to get to it. As soon as the owner picked it up I knew what it was although I'd never seen one except for pictures on Gunboards. The owner is a hardcore Japanese collector so he realized it was Japanese but hadn't really had the time to research it further. He wasn't ready to part with it right then but he agreed not to sell it to anyone without calling me first. After some persistence on my part I was able to bring it home a month or so later. Its a 1917 Peter the Great M91, the buttplate matches the serial number and the stock is stamped 1917 Tula under the buttplate so its almost certainly the original stock. The bolt is a combination of Remington and Tula parts that appear to have been blued at some point, not sure if the Japanese did this or not. The trigger is Tula marked while the Japanese added trigger guard is unmarked, the plate closing off the bottom of the receiver to covert it to a single shot is welded or silver soldered onto the receiver and held on by the sear screw as well. I've since had the markings translated and it was used by the Meiji University in Tokyo and the rack number is 441
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Re: 1917 PTG M91 Japanese trainer

#2 Post by Candyman » Wed Jun 21, 2017 10:26 pm

An outstanding piece to any collection.

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#3 Post by Markeb2800 » Wed Jun 21, 2017 11:50 pm

Very nice.

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#4 Post by indy1919a4 » Fri Jun 23, 2017 5:26 pm

Gosh my eyes water that is so nice looking, What caliber is it please???

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#5 Post by ssg_lord » Fri Jun 23, 2017 9:16 pm

indy1919a4 wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 5:26 pm
Gosh my eyes water that is so nice looking, What caliber is it please???
It's still in the original 7.62x54R, some of these trainers had their chambers sleeved so they could use the 6.5mm Jap blanks that were used in some training rifles but this isn't one of them.

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#6 Post by indy1919a4 » Fri Jun 23, 2017 9:25 pm

Nice, at least you can shoot it cheaper .. Thanks for sharing

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#7 Post by SmokinTurkey » Sun Jun 25, 2017 12:11 am

Very nice find! :dance:

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#8 Post by toot » Sun Aug 20, 2017 10:23 am

thanks for sharing with us.

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#9 Post by Ihopdemon » Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:38 pm

I had no idea these even existed until reading this post! I am so glad this forum is back!

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#10 Post by vandle » Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:51 am

Ihopdemon wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:38 pm
I had no idea these even existed until reading this post! I am so glad this forum is back!
x2 Very interesting subject.

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#11 Post by VMASCIOP2000 » Fri Dec 08, 2017 7:52 am

I assume ,when the single shot is loaded, that the extractor is "forced" over the rim?
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#12 Post by ssg_lord » Sat Dec 09, 2017 2:41 am

I hadn't considered that so I'll have to check. I doubt the Japanese fired these due to a lack of 54R ammo thought, they were likely just used for drill practice. I'll probably never fire this one but I have some 54R dummy rounds so I'll have to check and see if they chamber properly.

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#13 Post by VMASCIOP2000 » Sat Dec 09, 2017 10:22 am

That's smart. If the extractor IS being forced over the rim, that extractor will eventually bend out of shape. Did you find 7.62x54r dummy rounds somewhere or did you make them?
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#14 Post by Miller Tyme » Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:38 pm

That is one cool rifle and a must have for a Mosin collector.

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#15 Post by ssg_lord » Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:56 am

Did some tests with a dummy round that I bought of eBay and it chambered and extracted just like a normal Mosin would have. The extractor is being forced over the rim though so it's not something I'll do again just in case.

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