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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 10:44 pm 
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What is the going for a 98\22 and VZ 24. Also 8mm 1950's yugo ammo....wont need the ammo if I sell the rifles.

I'm thinking about about selling my two examples of these rifles to help pay for some moving costs. The Family and I are planning on buying a house and we could use the extra cushion.

I dont have any good photos but they are in this group photo (far left):

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 6:09 am 
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98/22 about, maybe $120-150 tops -if matching, slightly more than a $100 Turk Mauser. Dealers will give $80-100 if they even want them. VZ24 around $125-$150, more if bolt matches and it has a crest. You are missing the cleaning rod -$20. Stock carving most likely a minus factor. Lots of $125-$135 Vz24s w/o crests, but cleaning rod at the Fon du Lac show. No takers. Bores have to be good. Less if people have to pay shipping and a transfer fee. You should have taken them to the Fond du Lac gun show this week on Sat. Thousands of people. #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o You would have got cash. I picked up a Arisaka type 44 for $350. Lots of walk ins with firearms due to the economy. It's a buyers market. Common stuff is'nt moving unless cheep or at value for parts.

Puchie show is at Waukesha Co. fair grounds this week end Sat the 24th. I will be there Sat. Walk around with them and dump them. I might be interested in the 98/22, is the bore is excellent??? What are the markings? How bad is the stock -Dunhams had them back a few years ago for $109 with bayonet. This is just about the end of the gun show season so, do it if you want bucks. You can also bring ammo. But that 1950s stuff is not the best, but it goes about 15 cents per round, unless the 1970s brass stuff. Turk ammo (better) about $15 per bandoleer. Both of those Mausers are at the lower end. K31 and RCs are a better bet for fast sell, they increased in value. My 2 cents worth. Got to find a military collector. Two of us will be there Sat morning. :wink: I am actually picking up a $100 matching turk Mauser and Greg is picking up a K31 from the same guy.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 5:57 pm 
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Send me a PM on the 98/22. I may do better than the $150.00.



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See Broomstick above you got a nibble. =D> =D>

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 9:11 pm 
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If your guns are anything like mine they only had value when I bought them. Now that I own them they seem to be worth very little when I go to sell or trade them, especially at gunshows!!! Go to some of the for sale forums archives and try to find similar guns and see what they have SOLD for. Do your own research, dont take potential buyers word for what they are worth.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 9:51 pm 
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THAT'S A FACT, JACK
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If your guns are anything like mine they only had value when I bought them. Now that I own them they seem to be worth very little when I go to sell or trade them, especially at gunshows!!!


Especially if you sell to a dealer, he wants to make about 20-40%. Only sell to a private party at gun shows and record there DL for your records. Best to have a signed statement of sale to protect your butt.



Also check out the Standard catalog of Military Firearms: The collectors Price and Reference Guide by Ned Schwing at library. Also there are regional differences in price. Dunhams dumped a lot of 98/22 Mausers, Turk Mausers and Vz 24s about 3-4 years ago. Fleet & Farm dumped Mosins and No 4 Enfields 79 bucks a pop about 5 years ago. They also had Turks at $99. The trick was to find one with a matching bolt. Heck a tin of 440rounds of 7.62x54R was $29 bucks at F & F. I got three 98/22 with excellent bores from the now closed Cederburg Dunhams. So WI is sort of flooded with cheep Mausers.
Ha, but try to find an RC or Isreali K98 Mauser----They have gone way up in WI. Decent K31s are also hard to come by unless you want to pay $300 +

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 10:07 pm 
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I would not even bother trying to sell to a dealer. What dealers do you know that only want to make 20-40%. All the ones I come across would not even get out of bed for that.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 11:20 pm 
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Thanks for the advise guys.

I took some pictures today so here they are:

http://s115.photobucket.com/albums/n318 ... otos/9822/

http://s115.photobucket.com/albums/n318 ... otos/vz24/

Here is an old post on the Chinese markings on the VZ24 for those that are interested:
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 7:03 am 
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A very interesting VZ 24 that should bring top buck to the right person. I love it. =D> =D> =D> =D> I think you should list this in the lower for sale section. But state barrel condition and if the bolt matches. One of the forum people will want that rare VZ.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 7:46 am 
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What dealers do you know that only want to make 20-40%. All the ones I come across would not even get out of bed for that.


What people do you know that would sell a firearm for less than 50% book value? At our gun shows there are so many guys at the door trying to buy that special item they want, the dealers just do not get a shot at it. They have to pay high to get it. Of course regular Walmart hunting junk is more difficult to get rid of. And than you have that rare time the wife is dumb as stone and sells back all your guns to a dealer and they do give her about 25-40 % and sometimes less of the true value. A good screwing. If someone comes in and a firearm is too cheep, it's a red flag --- hot. Or something is wrong with the gun and it will need repair. The dealer may get screwed if a firearm comes up as ripped off property and he is an FFL. Some big time sellers are not FFL, and do buy questionable stuff, and you got to be careful what you buy at gun shows.

I got to admit that I love the wife, brother, son that brings in dads old WW II bring backs and have a firm price in their mind. It just happened at the last show. Like a Type 44 Arisaka excellent condition ground mum, possible miss matched bolt for $350. That's what the brother wanted, and that's what he got. I got a deal, but I gave him the asking price. And the dealer looking over my shoulder would have loved it for that price and then put $500 on it and laid it on the table. The guys I see would be happy to buy & sell a rifle and make 40 bucks on it if they can turn it around the same day. They are the same people you see at every show that never buy a table, but buy & sell firearms and just walk around the show with a few. My FFL actually only charges $10 for a transfer fee on a rifle. A great honest guy in Shawano. However, I was told at the counter, Gander wants $80 for a transfer. So prices do differ, and then there is always the high roller who will pay any price to fill his collection--Gunbroker and auctions see these high prices. A dealers dream, if it's his gun. At auctions the firearms seem to go very high, out of the reach of a dealer. Book price and mostly better. Recent auctions are nuts. A gun is only worth what a buyer is willing to pay. Like you said, view the trends in your area.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 11:53 am 
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Like 72 usmc said "It's a buyer's market right now"
With so many people out of work a lot of surplus guns are coming out of the closet and going for cheap.
I picked up a M1 Carbine at a pawn shop for $350 out the door last year. You can bet that the shop made $100 or more on the deal, but I still did good at $350.

I do like odd rifles and find the VZ 24 you have to be very cool. PM me with what you want for it and we might be able to make a deal.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 3:58 pm 
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What is the condition of the bore and does the bolt match??? I might catch you at the Waukesha show. I can also make an offer if I find out barrel condition and if the bolt matches. That one is a great find. Let us know. You can also PM me. This Saturday is the day if you need fast cash in hand 0800. It seems all the jar heads are after this one. Any cracks in the stock?

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 2:00 pm 
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Hats off to Matt, he sold me that nice VZ 24 , sorry Candyman another jarhead got it. The old Nam Sgt. went for it. Bore is only fair, but not counterbored. The bolt is miss matched and it failed the Field gauge headspace test #-o . But that stock is worth it =D> =D> =D>. So I switched out bolts on my 98/22 and that bolt caused it to pass a field test, but the VZ24 bolt does not work in the 98/22--still the bolt closes down on the gauge. So I can shoot it with that bolt. But there is hope. So I am going to get an original cleaning rod and bolt body and see if I can get it to pass a headspace test. Liberty tree collectors has cleaning rods and Hoosier may have some large ring mauser spare bolts. Then I should be ready to go. That vz is so cool. History all over it. Matt even gave me a spare good VZ barrel, but I am going to the use same beat barrel and keep the rifle intact. So another forum member Greg, took the 98/22, I got the VZ 24, :thumb: and Matt got cash for his move to the other side of the state. Too bad it would have been nice to have another fellow shooter at our range. Thanks Matt for making two old guys happy. \:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/

O ya Candyman , I lost out on the Turk, but a 1940 Tula Russian bring back Tokarev walked in and I fell on that like a fly to dung. GOT IT. Them old Marines do get lucky sometimes. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 5:11 pm 
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72 usmc, Congrats on the VZ 24. It would just have ended up as a wall hanger if I had gotten it. I did score a 1916 Remington M91 Mosin, Finn marked and in a Finn stock. I got a great deal on it due to the stock being messed up, but I have an untouched Finn M91 stock waiting for when the rifle gets here.
I have a Chinese k98 stock sitting in a box, but it would never work on a shooter. It has a lot od internal issues and also has some rot. It would work great for a wall hanger.
Get us a range report and some pic's.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 11:21 pm 
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Here are the close ups of the Chinese marks on this Vz 24:
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So today I found out Northridge International had original cleaning rods as well as Liberty tree collectors, and that Hoosier Gun Parts had an original bolt body and a sight protector. So for another $55 I got the old boy looking good. I am taking a gamble on the bolt body #-o that it might correct the problem in the VZ that has 0.20 headspace. :idea: :idea: :idea: But, I still can shoot the VZ with my bolt from my 98/22 that does work in the vz and actually headspaces. :arrow: So lets hope the newly ordered replacement bolt will headspace in the VZ or the 98/22. Can I be that lucky????? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :?

Any bets on how many bolts I got to order before I get one that works ?????? :tounge:

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 9:25 pm 
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Took the old boy out and with a poor bore this rifle held a pattern within a 2inch circle at 75 yards. Shot 33 rounds in clusters of three and it shoots high, but keeps them clustered with my 98/22 bolt that does headspace in this CZ. I think I got the best of Matt, a very nice rifle that I can get up to par for around 60-75 bucks. =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> Also got to find a sling.
I was shooting 1950 garbage Yugo ammo and have a 24 pound new Wolf spring in the bolt. Works great. On the other hand my buddy Greg got a 98/22 and it did not fire the 1950 ammo, so he needs a new 24 pound spring and he will be ready to go. His barrel is almost new. His bolt also headspaces in my VZ 24. So I may be lucky with the replacement bolt I ordered. Greg refuses to give me his bolt for free and keep the rest of the 98/22 as a parts rifle. Imagine that! :tounge: :tounge: :tounge:

Some photos of the new additions:
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