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Re: Spanish M1916 Comparison

#16 Post by jbs » Fri Jun 30, 2017 2:20 pm

LEP wrote:
Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:00 am
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LEP wrote:
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Wed Jun 28, 2017 9:55 am
This is the sight.
Do the markings on the side of the ramp match up with the top?
No markings on the side of the ramp. It is blank.
Definitely odd. That is not a typical Spanish sight-typical for a model 98, though. Replacement or re-purposed replacement barrel?
It may well be a replacement sight. The barrel looks original or at least not replaced since arriving in the U.S. It should have either the 300 meter flat sight or the really nice curvy one. For some reason it has this 100 meter sight.

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Re: Spanish M1916 Comparison

#17 Post by ffuries » Fri Jun 30, 2017 3:47 pm

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I just looked at my Spanish M1916, so here's another odd-ball for you! Characteristics of it compared to the ones originally listed.

Left side of receiver CAL 762, then the SN A 9850 (What is strange is you can see the ghosting of the previous SN which is also 9850 can't tell if it was preceded by an A). Receiver, bolt (Which has a bent handle), floor plate, and barrel band SN's match.

Right side of receiver the number 28942.

The rear sight there is a 3 on the slide and a 3 of the right side of the ramp, no over-stamping of a 2.

Stock has a cross bolt.

The trigger guard is a standard guard not modified for the lock screw, even though the screw on the TG has divots in it to be used with a lock screw.

There is no Guardia Civil "Falangist" crest or OT number on the rifle.

The butt plate is not cupped.

The side mounted sling mount on the butt stock is the solid metal pinned version.

Thumb cutout on left side rail.

Gas escape hole on left side of receiver.
To a certain level, it's a typical, though incomplete, conversion. It still has the 7x57 butt, TG, and sights, apparently. If these rifles could talk. Purpose made M1916s, rebuilt M1893s, captured arms from SCW, etc.
I would love to see more members post their variations.
Would be a lot of work but maybe a spreadsheet with the different variations available, then people could submit their rifles setup, see if there is some rhyme or reason to the variations.
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Re: Spanish M1916 Comparison

#18 Post by TassieAzz » Fri Jun 30, 2017 6:09 pm

I recently had a Spanish Mauser handed down to me in the time the original forum was down, and was sad to not have access to this thread as I remembered reading it previously. So massive thanks for putting it back up!

My rifle is chambered in 7x57 (haven't put a round through it yet, however) but will be sure to compare it to the details added for curiosities sake once time allows. There surprisingly few markings on it, its a Y prefix serial (non-matching bolt) with the crest sadly scrubbed out.

Will add more in depth details to this thread about mine in the near future.

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#19 Post by capt14k » Tue Jul 04, 2017 11:41 am

Is it possible that there are so many variations with the Spanish Rifles because many we put together by the importers? Samco had 8,000 M1916 and I believe 12,000 total Spanish Rifles in inventory when Century bought everything at auction. Many were in rough shape according to Dennis Kroh who previewed the auction in person. Couldn't Samco and now Century be swapping parts around? I know a lot of stock swapping went on with the Finnish M/39. When a dealer has thousands of the same rifle it would be a way to increase profits. For instance rifle A bluing is excellent but stock is cracked and rifle B metal is rusted but stock is perfect. Swap them and make one quality rifle. Not saying it's right but they are big businesses not collectors.

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Re: Spanish M1916 Comparison

#20 Post by LEP » Wed Jul 05, 2017 8:45 am

Not just possible-probably exactly as you say. In addition, field expedient repairs and assembled from spare parts versions are out there.
In addition, I suspect M1916s converted from long guns didn't have the quality control standards, either. A noticeable lack of proofs and tradesmen/assembly markings are evident on these rifles as well.

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#21 Post by korkster » Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:24 pm

Nice post

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#22 Post by Rex_in_OTZ » Thu Apr 11, 2019 3:31 pm

I have no crest, a OT serial number, No crossbolt, no locking screw, the rear sight Number 3 over stamp to 2.
The 'Samco' importer has the muzzle marking of
Ovido Spanish M-1916
OR FL 308W
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#23 Post by DaleH » Thu Apr 11, 2019 4:11 pm

I must be old, I remember a Dealer from my Club selling them for $75, mostly matching if I recall correctly, if not all. Not beaters either. A bunch of us bought them, all passed headspace gauge checks and we had a blast shooting them in our cast boolit shoots.

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Re: Spanish M1916 Comparison

#24 Post by LEP » Fri Apr 12, 2019 8:56 am

Rex_in_OTZ wrote:
Thu Apr 11, 2019 3:31 pm
I have no crest, a OT serial number, No crossbolt, no locking screw, the rear sight Number 3 over stamp to 2.
The 'Samco' importer has the muzzle marking of
Ovido Spanish M-1916
OR FL 308W
I also noticed your TG doesn't match the stock in-letting. A noticable gap is in the picture as if the action sets farther back. Replacement stock, maybe?

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Re: Spanish M1916 Comparison

#25 Post by Rex_in_OTZ » Fri Apr 12, 2019 1:11 pm

Thats what I thought, the metal butt dont match, numbers are different, the stock seems to have been cut back, no bayonet lug and front sight ears has been removed.
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#26 Post by dynachrome » Fri Apr 12, 2019 5:17 pm

i have a matching m1916 oviedo dated 1929 still in 7mm with a matching bent bolt. It might have been re blued?
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#27 Post by dynachrome » Fri Apr 12, 2019 5:19 pm

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#28 Post by dynachrome » Fri Apr 12, 2019 5:20 pm

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