Spanish 1916 7.62 magazine spacer

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Spanish 1916 7.62 magazine spacer

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Anyone know where to get a spacer for the magazine of a Spanish 1916 rifle converted to 7.62?
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Re: Spanish 1916 7.62 magazine spacer

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The FR 7 is a Spanish mutt and few have parts for sale. You basically find another rifle to buy for parts or find someone that has an FR7 and have them provide pictures so you can make a spacer yourself. Most buy the FR 8 for a better receiver rather than the older metal in the FR 7 receiver. The FR-7 was produced as a modification of the model 1916 into .308. Some think they are somewhat unsafe. I have no idea, never collected any Spanish firearms. Maybe someone is selling one they stripped down on flee bay and within a year or two you may find one. A few years ago Century dumped a bunch, at retail they were around $200. Not many takers. Now, I do not see these at shows, few are into them. I'd try making a spacer out of a hardwood or thick plastic and the ramp angle will be the problem to reproduce. Sort of taper from the follower edge to the ramp. I am not sure how much play or gap is between the follower and the spacer. Someone with an FR rifle can provide some measurements and better photos. The spacer appears to extend from the base of the floor plate to a wee bit above follower at its top position. Look at around 9:00 to 9:30 on this video of the FR8:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRbtMIqx3Bs

I would think that might solve the feeding issue.
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Re: Spanish 1916 7.62 magazine spacer

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Thanks for the pictures, guess I will have to make a spacer. I happened onto this rifle and tried it out. Knowing the rep for soft steel(which seems to follow the low number 1903 issue) I reloaded some LC cases with 37.6 grns of IMR4895 with a Hornady 150 grn soft point. Off the bench at 100 yards it holds a two inch group. If you can see the crude sights. Also Semper Fi from an old retired First Sergeant.
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Re: Spanish 1916 7.62 magazine spacer

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You know its a shame that NATO didn't adopt the 7.5x54 French cartridge instead of the 7.62x51. But I'm sure the US called all the shots. The only things required to convert these wonderful old Mausers would have been a re-bore and chamber, plus a different follower. Instead they butchered up the mags, feed rails, installed chamber inserts, and had to add a spacer. It would have been a super way to convert shot/rusted out 7x57's. The 7.5 has superior ballistics at 20k psi lower chamber pressure, fits the mag and rails, and is only 3 mm longer. From a safety standpoint it would have been a great conversion.
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Re: Spanish 1916 7.62 magazine spacer

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Well found an entire magazine trigger guard with the 7.62 spacer installed. Not the hinged type but luckily had a 1903 floorplate that fit. Now the rifle will feed some what. Not the greatest but it does work. Good since the rifle seems to shoot good with reloads. Thanks to everyone that helped with ideas.
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Re: Spanish 1916 7.62 magazine spacer

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is it possible to take some macro close up views of the spacer from bottom , top and a side view . What material its it made from Wood?
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Re: Spanish 1916 7.62 magazine spacer

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Anybody know we're to find a complete bolt for a 1916 made into 308. What's the difference from the original? Thanks
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Re: Spanish 1916 7.62 magazine spacer

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There was no modification done to the bolt for 7.62 NATO. Same bolt.

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Re: Spanish 1916 7.62 magazine spacer

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You need a bolt. That is approximately $45-55. Will it pass a field gauge? You might need 2 or 3 to get one that fits. Give this some thought, prior to dumping money into a black hole. Consider that the Spanish 1916 .308 rifle may turn into a money pit. Then it it's still pushing it for safety. What is your face or eye sight worth? You might want to consider a safer conversion to .308, like the K98 Israeli Mauser which is a large ring Mauser in .308 . A safe rifle to fire. Sure fire, no jams, and no set back lugs due to high pressure. Just a thought... :twocents-02cents:
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I bought it for 40.00 just want to make it complete so it can sit in a corner. Thanks for the concern.
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Re: Spanish 1916 7.62 magazine spacer

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I see your problem. It seems all complete 1893/1916 bolts are sold out at Gun Parts or Liberty and prices have doubled at $125 for a bolt. A year ago, last fall, those beaters with bolts were being sold at $150. I have not been to shows because most are close due to c-19, but maybe you will need to buy another rifle for parts. There are some flat bottom bolts on eBay, but not complete. I am not sure if the other parts can be found. Maybe someone will offer a complete bolt on eBay in the near future. But like all parts, it seems prices are nuts. I hope your rifle has a nice crest then I guess it is a nice adventure to fix it. It seems a labor of love to restore the old boys due to parts prices. You generally have more in the restoration than you could get for the restored rifle. Like old auto restoration, fun, but expensive. But you got the pride in workmanship that you save a nice surplus rifle and had fun doing it. Maybe someone on the forum has a spare because they purchased 3-4 to find one that head spaced in their rifle.
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Re: Spanish 1916 7.62 magazine spacer

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I happened to have the bayonet. wasn't sure what it fit until. I got looking for bolts and saw them on ebay. I realized I had one. Something else for wife to say what do you need another for.
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