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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 9:03 pm 
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In my collection, I, have this rifle, with some questions. First, I, was sure it was a Swiss rifle, a Vetterli mfg 1871-1878, but rifle
is marked Terni!! Is this a copy of the Swiss rifle? Is it true, the Vetterli or the Terni, were the first to incorporate, the first fixed
fixed box type magazine? The following markings, are on my rifle. Make Terni mfg date1887 serial # Kk 476 cal is not 10.4, but is
much smaller, poss 8mm or 6.5? Rille, has no magazine clip, but has a cleaning rod and is in good gen cond. What is the connection
with the wording Vetterli-Vitali?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 10:16 pm 
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It's not Swiss, it's Italian. The Swiss Vetterli used a tube magazine, not a box mag. Origianally a 10.4mm black powder round. Converted during WW1 to use 6.5x52 Carcano, but the conversion is really marginal for standard power 6.5 ammunition. Some here shoot downloaded handloads, but it's not recommended to shoot factory ammo.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 10:27 pm 
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I agree with Les1234. Italian Vetterli that was converted to 6.5 Carcano.

I actually like the box mag over the tube. With the tube mag on the Swiss Vetterli's you need to be pretty exacting in setting the cartridge OAL in order to have the rounds feed reliably. I think that with the box mag as long as the rounds fit in the mag you're okay.

Looks like a nice rifle.

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The designation Vetterli-Vitali is used to show the original M1870 Italian Vetterli was upgraded to an 1870/87 with the Vitali magazine system. Same for the original Dutch Beaumont. Those used the very same magazine & were called Beaumont-Vitalis.

Since this no longer has the Vitali magazine, it's more properly called an 1870/87/15. I watch the German gun auction site & for some reason, they call this the "Garibaldi" model. I've no idea why. Ren

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 8:28 pm 
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Thanks everyone!! For all the great info and a lenghtly history lesson.
Would I, ever, be able, to find a magazine clip for this rifle?
Thanks again
Roy


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If it was converted to 6.5 I would hope the standard one for the Carcano would work. Some fellows on here have some in that configuration, I'm sure they will let us know.


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The 7.35 & 6.5 clips are the same and will work in that Vetterli, it's an 1891 Carcano magazine.

Because the original Vetterli bolt was designed for black powder, it's not advisable to shoot surplus or factory loads.


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Mine does not work with standard clips, but I'm not sure if it is related to how the magazine is inletted, but on mine, the clip sticks too far up in the magazine to close the bolt. I assume that it SHOULD work with standard carcano clips.

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My Vetterli only likes 5 rounds in that 6 round Carcano clip to function. Hey, its a desparate war time conversion and that work is about 100 years old, so a compromise might be necessary. Mine still functions fine.

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Garibaldi was a very interesting person in Italian and U.S. history

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Just a word though, if you shoot it, HANDLOADS ONLY. My 1889 Tornio 1870/87/15 has a large crack in the receiver above the bolt recess from some poor Italian soldier firing a full power 6.5mm round back in the Great War. These are conversions that are interesting and collectible, but should never have been made. 6.5x52mm may be "underpowered" compared to .30-06 or 8mm Mauser, but it's a heck of a lot more powerful than 10.4mm.

That said I'd still like to pick up one that is unbuggered at some point.

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AGAIN, thanks everyone, for all this invaluable information!!
All I, can say is many many thanks!!
Roy


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