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PostPosted: Sat Jun 05, 2010 1:11 am 
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I recently purchased a 6.5mm Carcano and cannot find out what model it is.
The markings on the reciver are 1942-XX Beretta Gardone SN.F28XX.
The stocks serial number matches the rifle and has a fantastic Beretta Gardone stock cartouche.
I will try to post pics tommorow.Thank You.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 05, 2010 4:53 am 
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WW2Collector wrote:
I recently purchased a 6.5mm Carcano and cannot find out what model it is.
The markings on the reciver are 1942-XX Beretta Gardone SN.F28XX.
The stocks serial number matches the rifle and has a fantastic Beretta Gardone stock cartouche.
I will try to post pics tommorow.Thank You.

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Hoping I am not treading too heavily on anyone's toes here... there was no such Carcano as a dedicated paratroop model. Italian paratroops (Folgore) did use the cavalry moschetto to one extent or another, but if you search for images, you will see more SMGs in use.

Since it was so light and handy, the cavalry moschetto was used by many different types of troops - and civilian police - also a favorite of partisans all over Europe and Africa.

If your local library has the Time-Life series of world war two, borrow ITALY AT WAR. There are several photos of even civilians using the cavalry moschetto.

I've a photo of a native girl in what appears to be Italian East Africa with one. Since she is attired in nothing but a fez and short skirt, I had better not post it.

I don't mean to be a know-it-all... the "paratroop" Carcano is a fictional item most likely invented at a gun show by an unscrupulous seller. Ren

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 05, 2010 12:38 pm 
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As Ren said, a lot of folks used these. This is one of my favorite photos. Check out all the ammo, ready for anything!
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 05, 2010 12:58 pm 
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Plenty of ammo & at least one "red devil" grenade! :shock: Ren

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 05, 2010 1:29 pm 
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6.5mm Carcano Pics.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 05, 2010 1:46 pm 
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Very nice rifle, you did good. That stock cartouche is great, so many have been sanded away.
The model: M38 T.S. or Truppe Speciale - Special Troop

Let us know how she shoots. Remember, you must use the clips to load. If you don't have a clip you can load single shot by removing the bolt and sliding the rim under the extractor. If you put one in the chamber and try and close the bolt you can break the extractor.

Ren - Good catch on the grenade, I hadn't noticed that before!

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 05, 2010 5:02 pm 
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Thanks she shoots great the bore is very bright with deep lands and grooves.
One more question on the tang in my first photo the matk looks like an anchorDoes that mean anything?


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 05, 2010 7:10 pm 
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Ren is one of the resident experts on these marks, I'll let him comment. I'm not sure exactly what it is.

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P.S. - Remember you can't have just one Carcano. Unlike some of the other rifles, there are many models of the Carcano to be collected!


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The anchor shows it was used by the Regia Marina = Italian Navy. Navy TS are uncommon and worth a premium. There will be other navy marks... look for a small circle near the serial number on the stock - this is called the "Crusader Shield" and is a dedicated navy mark. Another dedicated navy mark is a stylized square knot. For some reason, you don't see that mark very often.

A large anchor is desirable, too. Strictly my own opinion but I believe that shows use by Italian Marines. I've only ever seen two of those, but they exist.

There should also be a mark near the serial number on the barrel... a shield, anchor or both. If you don't see one right away, keep looking. Armorers had no template for marking Navy arms so they can be about anywhere - even on the bottom of the receiver ring.

For some reason, the navy seemed to used more Berettas than other makes. At least that's my experience and that of another die-hard Italian rifle collector who is a fellow forum member. No explanation for that - possibly one of Mr Beretta's relatives was in navy procurement.

I agree that you have a very nice stock cartouche - most often they have been sanded. A web sling is correct for this model, and a very scarce accessory is a bayonet with a small anchor stamped on the crossguard. Those will sell for more than the rifle! :shock:

Here are more images of Navy marks I just lifted from another site. I'm away from home and haven't access to my pic file. Ren

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 12:00 am 
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Thank You for all the great info.
Now just one more question what would the value of this rifle?
And Ren what exactly do you mean by a large anchor?
I am sorry if I am causing you guys too much trouble.


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RenHoek wrote:
Hoping I am not treading too heavily on anyone's toes here... there was no such Carcano as a dedicated paratroop model. Italian paratroops (Folgore) did use the cavalry moschetto to one extent or another, but if you search for images, you will see more SMGs in use.

Since it was so light and handy, the cavalry moschetto was used by many different types of troops - and civilian police - also a favorite of partisans all over Europe and Africa.

If your local library has the Time-Life series of world war two, borrow ITALY AT WAR. There are several photos of even civilians using the cavalry moschetto.

I've a photo of a native girl in what appears to be Italian East Africa with one. Since she is attired in nothing but a fez and short skirt, I had better not post it.

I don't mean to be a know-it-all... the "paratroop" Carcano is a fictional item most likely invented at a gun show by an unscrupulous seller. Ren

MY MISTAKE IT IS A CAVALRY. IT CAME FROM PRIVET SELLER WHO SAID HIS DAD BROUGHT IT BACK FROM WAR.

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WW2Collector wrote:
Thank You for all the great info.
Now just one more question what would the value of this rifle?
And Ren what exactly do you mean by a large anchor?
I am sorry if I am causing you guys too much trouble.



The large anchor would be about twice as big as the one shown on the bolt knob above. I never guess prices right so someone else will have to help with that. Ren

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 9:39 am 
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That's a beautiful rifle. I hope to find one as nice some day! :thumb:

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I was just wondering if I got a good deal on it or not.
Anyone know where I can get a clip for this gun?
Thanks to everyone for their comments about my rifle.


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