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PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 12:42 am 
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Here is a thread from last month when the fakes started showing up:
viewtopic.php?f=27&t=91681

Here is the gunbroker auction listing:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt ... =162847685

His user feedback. Look at his purchases from the past month+ and where he bought them from:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewUs ... er=1488570

You know as well as I do that this is not an original No5MK1 Jungle Carbine but Khyber Pass rifles sold by TG International. I request those with gunbroker accounts to email this seller and let him know what's up.

So he bought 8 of these unsafe to fire rifles in the past month and now are trying to turn around and sell them at a profit. What a shady character

TG International was selling these with the description:

[quote=TG International Inc]"We have not test fired these Enfields which is why we are selling these as "NON shooter" parts or display guns. A signed Non shooter statement will be required before we ship. These should be inspected by a qualified gunsmith."
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[quote=matt630]1944 No. 5 Jungle Carbine (believe it to be a British Enfield), .303 British caliber. From my father's World War 2 collection. I have never shot this rifle, even though his gunsmith checked it out and said the head-space was good. Comes with 10 round magazine. Import marks on rifle, cryptic writing on butt-stock, flash-hider has 3 port marks. I tried taking inside barrel pictures but to no avail. Barrel still has rifling, but is not 100%. Peep/flip sight (adjuster missing rivet/screw) Action/bolt works well (needs extractor spring), pictures tell a 1000 words, if you have any questions, please ask before bidding. Shipping $25 to Continental US; AK & HI shipping quotes available upon request. USPS Money Order or Pay-Pal with additional 5% added to final bid. Rifle for sale locally and seller reserves the right to end auction early unless "Buy-it-now" price is met. Thank you for looking and happy shooting/bidding!
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Sadly nothing in the gunbroker TOS prohibits selling fakes. There is a gray area about descriptions of an item.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt ... =157993862

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt ... =157794003

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt ... =157443452

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt ... =157419858

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt ... =157413804

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt ... =157426564

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt ... =157308598

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt ... =157422866




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PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 1:06 am 
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This looks like one that was at the Gander Mountain by me. They started at 350 and hacked down to 200. It was missing the mag and had an extra swivel and was this blonde orange. The sad thing was the guys didn't know what it was, they told me twice it was a sporterized enfield. I felt bad for the fool who bought it, and really glad it wasn't me!!

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 2:36 am 
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TG International knew what they were selling and made the non-shooter statement specifically to protect them from liability in case one of these things blows up. This guy is obviously not too bright. He's betting that nothing bad will happen and is willing to risk all that he owns to make a few dollars selling this junk. Not good odds according to my lights.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 2:56 am 
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In the UK that would break the law in several ways - the first two that spring to mind are :

1) Misrepresentation / False Advertising / Trade Descriptions Act
2) Fit For Purpose.

Every firearm sold in the UK must, by law, have a proof mark so at least they would be 'picked up' on that point as well - mind you - the Kyber Pass folks would probably just copy down a UK Proof mark.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 5:50 am 
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Gunbroker has enough lawyers in their risk management section than a single email creates a paper trail and a liability issue that should be enough to get these listings either canceled, or accurately described as counterfeited "wall hangers". I report these sorts of gross misrepresentations to Gunbroker.com, and generally the listings disappear within 48 hours. Reporting is anonymous, and it's all handled very professionally.

This practice is commonly called fraud, and it's illegal in the US as well at both the state and federal level. Do it through the US Mail system and add to your troubles.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 8:21 am 
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I'm ashamed to say this seller is just across the river from me. It's obvious what he is doing, buying these Kyber Pass non-shooters from TGI and then reselling them saying they are "From my father's World War 2 collection."

There are two active local boards and I'll see if I can find out who this idiot is, at least get the word out about what he's pulling.

This should be posted on every mil-surp board on the net.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 8:46 am 
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Here is the seller's response to my email.

He claims they were checked out and are safe to fire. He is either believing his own lies or we have an incompetent gunsmith. :roll:

And his father bought them and he is is just disposing them for him :roll:

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Re: Question regarding GunBroker.com Item 162847685
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newlaserjockey,

You are the 2nd person to write such an e-mail:
These are from my father who did just recently purchase them and had them checked out.
After the last e-mail I looked at his buys and saw they were from TGI the fact is that he did have them all checked out and this one has been determined safe to fire, 2 are not and as such will not be sold as such. I am selling them for him as he is in ill health and took a turn for the worse with diabetes. How can you tell if they are from enfield or not?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 8:52 am 
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Hey madcratebuilder,

Please contact the seller as a "potential buyer", get his info and save them in a safe place in case this numbnut does sell a rifle and hurts somebody.

surplusrifle.com black ops has been activated

We definetely need to spread the word.

madcratebuilder wrote:
I'm ashamed to say this seller is just across the river from me. It's obvious what he is doing, buying these Kyber Pass non-shooters from TGI and then reselling them saying they are "From my father's World War 2 collection."

There are two active local boards and I'll see if I can find out who this idiot is, at least get the word out about what he's pulling.

This should be posted on every mil-surp board on the net.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 12:51 pm 
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Just noticed that his auction has ended.. And very early if I might add..... :thumb: Maybe someone shamed him or Gb caught wind of what was goin on ..

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 1:15 pm 
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He sent back this reply below. From his words and actions, "I" think I misjudged this guy. I have sent a reply message explaining my side and sent my apologies to him and his father along with wishes for good health.

It is a shame things like this has to happen due to a company with shady practices.

I am sorry

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Until I get better info on the rifle and such, I have closed the auction. I understand your concern and have the same. Since my father's health downfall last month (matt) I have had power of attorney and have been taking care of many requests, this being one. As a sportsman and shooter, I would not like to buy an unsafe rifle or sale one. All the best to you and yours.
Thanks for the info, but next time you might want to tone down the accusations until you know more facts from your end!
Cheers!
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 1:32 pm 
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He pulled the auction, that's good. I would like to think it was a honest mistake on the sellers part.

Laserjock, I don't think you have a damn thing to be sorry about. this guy bought these with his account and used the same photo's to list them for resale. It does not pass the smell test, but I would like to be wrong.

Back when TGI first listed these, when I first saw them I thought that maybe they could be parted out, but after looking close I saw they were total junk. I can understand someone wanting to make a buck, but not at the expense of someones safety.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 3:28 pm 
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I would like to get a Kyber Pass rifle, as a non-shooters just to have one. I think that the workmenship is great for a rifle made in a mud & stone hut with hand tools.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 5:08 pm 
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This No5 has been posted local.

http://www.northwestfirearms.com/forum/ ... hp?t=26912

Another fishy deal, I don't think this one is a Khyber Pass but sure looks funny to me.

http://www.northwestfirearms.com/forum/ ... 0yahoo.com


Here's some more. Don't go here if your easily offended.
http://www.fortmoe.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=21104

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 11:46 pm 
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Madcrate is correct about the smell of it

From his Ad on NWFA:
http://www.northwestfirearms.com/forum/ ... hp?t=26912
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His Ad on:
http://www.oregongearlist.com/viewlisting.php?view=1686
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And here:
http://www.outdoorstrader.com/viewad.as ... 6478100996
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As well:
http://classifieds.oregonlive.com/?orig ... 3-487-7768
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This quote appears in the body of the ads:
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"Good headspace, was checked out by a gunsmith last year when he first put it up for auction with a reserve of $350 (As seen by tag on pictures)"



This Quote is from TGI's auction where he/ dad bought it from TGI last month. "Ends On or After 2/16/2010 1:46:40 PM ET "

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04-PM-004. Serial# TE0105. The markings read no4 mk1 but as the picture shows it was converted to no5. Fair to good condition stocks. Dark bore. NON functioning safety. Good headspace. We have not test fired these Enfields which is why we are selling these as "NON shooter" parts or display guns. A signed Non shooter statement will be required before we ship. These should be inspected by a qualified gunsmith. Must ship to FFL holder. C&R eligible. snip......

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt ... =157443452 [Item Sold]

The pics are What TGI posted on their GB Auction!

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 12:17 am 
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Quick question. If these guns had been purchased by his father, through his account, as he himself claimed, wouldn't that a straw purchase make? #-o

Personally I don't buy the father bit for one second, I'm just saying might not have been his best excuse.

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