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Springfield Armory M1 Carbine, Blowback CO2 .177cal BB Rifle

#1 Post by 72 usmc » Wed Jan 23, 2019 5:18 pm

For the M1 guy that has everything . New release for 2019 at the air show a M1 carbine BB rifle. :doh: :shifty:
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Springfield Armory M1 Carbine, Blowback CO2 .177cal BB Rifle on the market to be offered April 2019, around $200 for a BB gun and you do not get a sling> :think: it reminds me of the old Crosman M1 carbine BB rifle, but much more realistic looking and blow back action. Unfortunately a plastic stock :( However there may be an optional wood stock- then I order one :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:
At the show https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2019/01 ... ow-part-2/
The stock
The stock is synthetic, but it is extremely well done. It feels solid and the wood grain looks the part. I am a Carbine afficionado, so this is more than a fanboy opinion. Springfield Armory nailed it! However, for those who absolutely cannot touch anything that is not real, a wood stock is an option. And, may I remind you that Mr. Spock assures us that nothing unreal exists!
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Count me in Scotty!



Preorders Pyramydair or my favorite Air gun depot.
https://www.airgundepot.com/springfield ... rifle.html
https://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Springfi ... Rifle/4662

Here is the old Crosman M1 see https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2017/04 ... un-part-1/
https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2017/04 ... un-part-2/

Springfield vs Crosman
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Re: Springfield Armory M1 Carbine, Blowback CO2 .177cal BB Rifle

#2 Post by 72 usmc » Thu Jan 24, 2019 10:02 am

Down on the list is a wood stock, airsoft toy, M1 carbine at around $378. Not bad for realistic markings, but it's an airsoft, plastic BB model with the stupid orange tip. This is the Marushin Full Metal, Real Wood, M1 Carbine CO2 Airsoft rifle. Better markings are found on the Japanese made Marushin airsoft replicas. I figure a wood stock addition most likely will add another $100 onto the new Air Venturi, Springfield armory, M1 steel BB rifle. A pellet version would also be a better seller in a wood stock. Photo source is Evike, a great company to buy airsoft replicas from. Top notch, great service. This model is old and no longer available. If you have seen one in person, the wood stock makes the replica perfect- well almost :roll: :lol:
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review by some jokers that take airsoft toys way to serious

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mr3ia0lG2k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qrjv91aRNvg
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Re: Springfield Armory M1 Carbine, Blowback CO2 .177cal BB Rifle

#3 Post by 72 usmc » Sun Jan 27, 2019 11:53 am

Here is a new view from Air Gun Depot at the show of the Air Venturi produced Springfield, BB, M1 carbine in plastic stock around $200:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34S8glwUIaY

Confirmation on the wood stock version by Air Venturi priced at $299. :think: :shhh: :shhh: :shhh: Plastic stock model $200, a nice wood stock $299. :dance:
see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBtDNb06zmo

It in the first part of the review, click the time line to get it going- some kind of glitch :think:

I wonder if the Zemak alloy action would fit into a real M1 stock and just drop in??? :think: :think: Ans: Nope :x :roll:

Interesting they do not even know if an original bayonet will fit?? Who's is designing this stuff?
Although the stock of the M1 carbine BB rifle is synthetic, it actually looks very realistic. Tyler told me that a regular M1 wood stock will fit, however, and that Air Venturi may even sell wood stock kits for enthusiasts to make that upgrade.

There’s bound to be many questions about compatibility of the M1 carbine BB rifle with the firearm original. Will a bayonet fit, for example. Tyler said that they are looking into such questions, but – of course – there were so many accessories for the M1 carbine that this could be a lifetime project!
Source: https://hardairmagazine.com/news/spring ... ramyd-air/

HOWEVER on one of the comments from guy that has a real M1 and the Springfield BB gun states:
Its made in Taiwan so Springfield’s involvement amounts to a trademark. Still a nice touch.

Check out yesterdays blog for a pic of the rear sight mounting exposed. No dovetail there for M1 sight to mount to just two square cut outs and it’s wider than a real M1 sight so you can’t just transfer the screw adjuster assembly.

I checked out the bayonet lug and it seems to be the exact same set-up as an M1 Carbine. However it is made of aluminum and may not stand up to any real use or rough handling. Just for display. Airsoft may have a plastic bayonet?
Now for the somewhat bad news. It will not just drop into any stock designed for a real M1 Carbine. It may with some work. The trigger/ magazine area of the receiver is wider around the trigger. (see pic) The upper mount point / tab is about a half inch longer, also aluminum, and looks to be utilizing a wood screw instead of a machine screw that goes through the stock and engages a nut imbedded just behind the trigger. I have not taken it apart to see if the rest of the stock inside matches a real M1 stock yet.

Would be nice to have a folding or sliding stock option though. Hint Hint !
Bob M
picture is from Bob M post.
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So maybe Tyler is full of beans and most likely does not own a real M1 carbine :naughty:


No listing at Air Venturi of any wood stock models???
https://www.airventuri.com/av/springfie ... 1-carbine/


No picture of the box or listing of what Taiwan company produces this rifle? No one is offering spare magazines, or any preorder on a wood stock version.
Lets hope it functions better than the bad news bear Legacy Citadel M1carbine - .22 caliber reproduction made by Chiappa, Italy. A real loser.
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Re: Springfield Armory M1 Carbine, Blowback CO2 .177cal BB Rifle

#4 Post by 72 usmc » Mon Jan 28, 2019 7:35 pm

Pyramid Air just offered spare magazines at $35. :clap:
https://www.pyramydair.com/s/a/Springfi ... 5_rds/8701
photo source from above:
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The base shows the CO2 screw:
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The best quality reproduction of the M1 carbine sling is found" At The Front" store. For $20 bucks you get a reproduction oiler and sling.
https://www.atthefrontshop.com/WWII_M1_ ... swwcws.htm


Maybe by April they will list the proposed wood stock version at $299. :pray: :think:
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Re: Springfield Armory M1 Carbine, Blowback CO2 .177cal BB Rifle

#5 Post by 72 usmc » Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:39 am

It appears that the markings are not cast into the metal. This is both good and bad. Most of the safety warning can be subdued or removed and the S & F on the safety is easy to cover. And the Made in Taiwan can also be removed or subdued. The plastic hand guard does not have the real rivet holes and up close that plastic stock is a real bummer that screams "cheep junk" that is lacking cartouches. These can easily be added/reproduced on a wood stock model because there are so many Fake stamps for US GI rifles on the market. :handgestures-thumbdown: The more I see of close up views of the plastic stock, I just want to :puke-front: . I sure hope a wood stock version is produced, otherwise it just is not worth the money. :handgestures-fingerscrossed: :ugeek: See bottom videos of a quality that can be replicated, why not on this Taiwan stuff?????

The white markings:
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Missing details on the receiver ( the receiver has in white paint only "US CARBINE" not the true markings found on an M1 Carbine) It would have been nice if these were cast into the receiver like the Japanese made Marushin Full Metal, Real Wood, M1 Carbine CO2 airsoft rifle reproduction. Japanese reproductions are always more accurate reproductions when it comes to the small details that really add to the quality of the rifle. Taiwan made reproductions just do not go that little extra effort to make a quality piece that would sell like crazy to collectors. They seem to produce for the kids BB gun/shooter market. We shall see if it comes in a nice collector box or a hard shell blister wrap.
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Look at the quality difference on some of these airsoft Japanese made M1 reproduction toys:
King
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DcaHoACXU4


Marushim
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mr3ia0lG2k

Second so -so video. A real goof, but it shows the rifle:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4AAa2utvq4
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Re: Springfield Armory M1 Carbine, Blowback CO2 .177cal BB Rifle

#6 Post by 72 usmc » Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:41 am

Stock cartouches that could be added to a wood model with the faker stamps:
Note these are real cartouches. All one really would need is the P .
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Re: Springfield Armory M1 Carbine, Blowback CO2 .177cal BB Rifle

#7 Post by 72 usmc » Wed Jan 30, 2019 12:11 pm

From what I can see from the few photos, there is no effort to reproduce an actual M1 carbine bolt either flat or round. The Springfield Carbine has one based on function for a BB gun - sort of a roundish flat bolt. While not an accurate reproduction, it does not look to bad. For pictures of real bolt shapes and carbine details for those that do not own a few carbines see this link: http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/bolts.html

The Springfield M1 Carbine oval bolt:
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Re: Springfield Armory M1 Carbine, Blowback CO2 .177cal BB Rifle

#8 Post by 72 usmc » Wed Jan 30, 2019 12:56 pm

This is the quality one would think the BB gun version could offer, but then it is not a Japanese made, high quality reproduction, Tiawan should wake up: see
King Arms CO2 Powered Gas Blowback M1A1 - Paratrooper Model airsoft toy

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photo from hobby asia

https://www.evike.com/products/56891/
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Re: Springfield Armory M1 Carbine, Blowback CO2 .177cal BB Rifle

#9 Post by 72 usmc » Sat Feb 09, 2019 12:26 pm

Get this, Pyramid Air now offers a preorder on a wood stock version of the Air Venturi, Springfield Armory, M1 Carbine BB rifle. Taiwan made, not the best quality for heavy use, but it looks like a nice keeper. The rifle has the same logo with a F inside a pentagon found on some KWC, Umerax BB guns, therefore it may be made by KWC- the Kien Well Toy Industrial Company of Taiwan. No pictures of the box or packaging, nor are there any detailed photos of the wood stock version posted yet. However, you can sign up to receive an email, when they come on the market. Then consider your options at that time . Most likely in May or June? :think:

https://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Springfi ... /4662#9631

Lets see, they offer special sales on certain Holidays- approximately 6 -12 % off the price, and if you find a friend that has never purchased from them, they are FIRST TIME BUYERS. They order for you, then you also get a first time buyer discount of 10% on the total purchase. So, if you time it right, maybe 20 % or less off with free shipping because it will be over $150. List price will be approximately $299. So maybe I can get one at around :shhh: :shhh: :shhh: :shhh: :shhh: $240.
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Re: Springfield Armory M1 Carbine, Blowback CO2 .177cal BB Rifle

#10 Post by 72 usmc » Wed Feb 20, 2019 4:21 pm

Consider a DENIX non firing replica is $270, the wood version Springfield armory BB carbine is in the price range at $300; and at around 270, the Dendix has a lack of attention to details & markings. Kind of goofy looking. My money would be on the wood BB version.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXGf1K9-Wc8
some close ups --about the same appearance as the BB gun https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6fUZT4w7pU

They also have the Denix Replica M1A1 Paratrooper Carbine, Non-Firing Replica at $205.00 Most of these Denix replicas/prop guns are nasty looking.
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