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PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2007 9:24 pm 
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For you sick puppies that were thinking dinner and a movie, check into the sicko ward now.
M1891 Ludwig Loewe

................Long Guns..........Carbines
1892.........A0000-C4999
1893.........C5000-F9999........A0000-A4999
..............................................B0000-B4999
1894.........G0000-L4999
1895.........L5000-M9999........A5000-A9999
.................BU00-BU199
.................EM00-EM124
.................EN00-EN74
1896.........N0000-O4999

M1891 DWM

1899.........O5000-T7999........B5000-C5999
1900.........T8000-V3999........C6000-C9589
1901.........V4000-W9999........E5540-8039



M1909 DWM

................Long Guns............Cavalry Carbine.....Engineers Carbine
1909.........A0000-A2999
1910.........A3000-K4999........A0000-B1999.........A0000-A5999
1911.........K5000-M9999........B2000-C3999
1912.........N0000-P9999......................................A6000-A9999


M1909 FMAP

1947............................000001-000500
1948............................000501-003500
1949............................003501-006500
1950............................006501-009500
1951............................009501-012500
1952............................012501-015175
1953............................015176-016175
1954............................015676-016470
1955............................016471-016970
1956............................016971-017970
1957............................017971-018661
1958............................018662-018906
1959............................018907-019072

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 2:16 am 
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Wait. So Loewe only made Carbines? Also... the long rifles were not made until 1899? Or am I reading that wrong.


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The format changed when I posted it. Have to fix that. Loewe made both till 1898. It was DWM 1899 on.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 6:34 pm 
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This might help. :) Seems there is an error in the 1911-1912 Long guns M9999 then M6999.

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Considering that 30,000 were made in 1912, I would surmise that it is a double typo. My source documents have the same error. N0000 would be accurate instead of M6999.
All the FMAP 1909s were originally Cavalry Carbines.
Now you need to tell us old geezers how you made that chart :o

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 7:13 pm 
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Hehe. Just Microsoft Excel and then took a screen shot and posted it as a picture. :)


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I just looked up my 1891 Argentine. It looks like it dates to 1893, Lowe, Berlin

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Nice looking rifle. Interesting eagle art, also. The short handguard also indicates early production.
Welcome to the boards. :D

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LEP,

I am not clear on this part of the numbering scheme for the M1891 Ludwig Loewe rifles, for the year 1895:

Rifles:

L5000-M9999 (15,000 units)
BU00-BU199 (200 units?) "Batallion Universitario"
EM00-EM124 (124 units?) "Escuela Militario"
EN00-EN74 ( 74 units?) "Escuela Naval"

Carbines:

A5000-A9999 (5,000 units)

The L5000-M9999 rifles and A5000-A9999 carbines looks like I would expect. It is hard to imagine such low quantities in the BUXX thru ENXX, so I may not have interpreted the numbering scheme properly. My total excluding 1895 for all M1891's is 215,000 rifles and 36,040 carbines.


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The 1895 production included the three small batches, totaling 400 rifles, which were for the military schools (the double prefix lots).

Total M91 production for Argentina was 230,400 rifles and 33,500 carbines. Some were sold to Bolivia and Peru as well as Spain.

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LEP,

Thanks, that clears up the rifle quantity for me, but I still come up with a different total for carbines:

1893 10,000
1895 5,000
1899 11,000
1900 12,540
1901 2,500

Total 41,040


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There is a large block of serial numbers that ended up in Peruvian and Bolivian hands which were replaced, giving a larger count than Argentina actually received.
I probably need to modify the serial numbers to reflect Argentinian use, but don't know which ones they were! Have to research that.

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I have a 1891 engineers carbine "Deutshe Waffen - Und Munitions Fabriken. Berlin
ALL wood and ALL metal match and there are no import marks
The serial number is "B8922". which I believe doesn' fit into your data.

Any thoughts????

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Under the 1891 DWM listing for carbines, yours falls in the 1899 block of numbers.

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Thanks!!!!!!! I looked at it with my eyes closed.


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