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PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 8:45 pm 
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Where is best place to get the taller front site blades for an M96 and do you need anything special to install them?

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 9:07 pm 
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You can find tall mauser front sight blanks a Brownells or you can get original swede blades at Libertytree collectors or e-bay....Larry

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 10:04 pm 
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Ive installed a couple of the Brownell blades on my m96s. They require fitting to the sight base dovetail so have your files on hand..... the sights are about $14 a piece... be careful fitting them. Then you'll have to "adjust" their height when you sight in the rifle. You'll get one chance to file 'em down so be sure of the distance you shooting at and the type of ammo your using as once you widdle the blade down thats it.

You might want to fire the gun 1st with the ammo your going to use (from now on), at the distance your going to shoot, in the position your going to shoot from, and the type of hold you'll (forever) use and then determan the height of the front blade you'll need to hit YOUR poi. You could then get the correct front blade height that you'll need insterad of using a Brownell blade.

I use an ajustment tool I got off e-bay instead of wacking the front of the rifle with a hammer and punch. The tool wont get the sight out of the dove tail (you need the 2 above mentioned tools to do the removal) but making the slight lateral adjustments to get your no-wind zero is alot easier.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 12:25 am 
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Just buy an original military front sight blade. But, ya gotta buy one for the distance you want to shoot. Those file down ones
are a piece of cheap crap!!!!!!!!!!!! If you want to shoot at say 100yards, buy an original. Say at $7.95 from here. The importer that these others buy from in the first place and then mark up the heck out of them. I use a +1.0 with a 6 o'clock hold at 100 yards. The file down ones are soft steel and you have to file the base to even get it in. Then file the tip to get the range. A +1.5 lets you have a POI of dead center. On any M96 I like the +1.0 better though. FWIW

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 1:59 am 
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I suppose I am cheap but I have used JB weld to build up the sight and it hasn't failed me yet. :)


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 8:11 am 
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Right now I am using a Soderin rear site and my point of impact is about 12" high at 100yds with the rear sight adjusted as low as it will go. If I buy a tall front site cant I just adjust my rear site up to find the zero at 100yds instead of filing the too tall front site. That being the case what difference would it make how tall the front site is to begin with as long as it is taller than what I have now.

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With the Soderin rear sight I think you will have a lot of trouble trying to use a standard front sight and a taller post.
Try this. These are new to me and appear to well engineered, hopefully the dovetail comes big and will need fitting to the dovetail.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SWEDISH-MAUSER- ... 48464fb1fd
I know this style will work .I've owned one of these on a CG 63 . I think this design is weak and lends itself to movement. I think the price is too high on this one but they can be found for less.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Target-front-si ... 2ec1a7241d
If you do get the universal globe front sight remember the cover nut needs only to be finger tight, ask me how I know #-o. The sight body is some kind of casting and breaks easy.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 9:06 am 
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pcrc11: Your correct. There is info on the net on how to calculate the height you'll need for the front sight based on: the ammo you use, the distance you shoot at, your position, POA, POA, etc.

The sodern sight has a elevation disk that is retained with a center screw. I'ld tellyou to be sure you can loosen and tighten it before your next trip to the range. Once you get your rifle "zeroed" to the distance your shooting at with the ammo you use, the position you shoot from, POA, POI etc. loosen that screw, CAREFULL rotate JUST the disk (not the knob) to the distance number your shooting at (I think the marks are in meters) and secure the screw.

This does NOT mean tht the rifle will shoot to "zero" at the other distances marked on the elevation disk as I think the Sight was setup for the Swedish m41 ammo.

Tell us more about your rifle. I take it it was a FSR gun.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 9:32 am 
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Here are some pictures of what i am using now. As you can see the post is not in the center (height wise) of the front globe. I am thinking just a higher post that would put in the center should get me in the ball park then I can fine tune it with the rear sight. I only shoot out to 100yds anyway right now and would never shoot at longer distances enough where adjustablity would be an issue


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 9:53 am 
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Now we are on to something. A match shooter may have filed down the insert. Can you remove the insert and take some clear pictures and measure the O.D and "legs" on the insert? You just need a taller insert. A new one may be all you need. Hopefully it is a standard Anschutz style or close enough to modify one to fit your sight housing. Some Swedish sights used Lyman inserts some Anschutz and some were preparatory.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 5:42 pm 
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Yep. I do believe my CG '05 FSR m96 has the same (non metalic) hood. The post on my front sight is threaded for inserts.. which none came with the rifle. A 'smith friend of my made some for me of various sizes.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 10:56 am 
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Here is a some trigonometry for sight adjustment Measure your sight height do not include dove tail.
For every inch of elevation at 100 yards you need to increase or decrease.
Multiply by .011 For 29" barrel .016 For 23" barrel
This is approximate for Mauser rifles.
If you are shooting 12 high at 100 yds .011X12=Increase sight by .125 in addition to the height of your present sight
Now the sight #'s and heights for the M96

M/96 (and m/41) sight blade:
(2.2mm (0.100") width blades)
Blade #.... Height (inches)
-1.0.......... 0.175
-0.5.......... 0.195
+0.0......... 0.215
+0.5......... 0.235
+1.0......... 0.255
+1.5......... 0.275
+2.0......... 0.295
+2.5......... 0.315
+3.0......... 0.335

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 5:40 pm 
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singleshotcajun wrote:
Now we are on to something. A match shooter may have filed down the insert. Can you remove the insert and take some clear pictures and measure the O.D and "legs" on the insert? You just need a taller insert. A new one may be all you need. Hopefully it is a standard Anschutz style or close enough to modify one to fit your sight housing. Some Swedish sights used Lyman inserts some Anschutz and some were preparatory.

You are correct. I ordered a +2.0 from Samco and it came in today. I removed the original site and it is marked 0 and I also noticed it has been filed down at the point. According to Gunsisme chart it should measure .215. Mine measured .203. My new +2.0 measures right at .295 just like it should. So I have picked up .092. According to his math that wont quite pick up the 12" inches I need but it will get me on the paper and the 12" I said i was high may have been an exageration anyway. Will find out tommorow when I go to the range. Another thing that has improved is the top of the sight is centered in the globe now, where before if you look at my picture it was down quite a bit.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 7:52 pm 
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Gunsisme wrote:
Here is a some trigonometry for sight adjustment Measure your sight height do not include dove tail.
For every inch of elevation at 100 yards you need to increase or decrease.
Multiply by .011 For 29" barrel .016 For 23" barrel
This is approximate for Mauser rifles.
If you are shooting 12 high at 100 yds .011X12=Increase sight by .125 in addition to the height of your present sight
Now the sight #'s and heights for the M96

M/96 (and m/41) sight blade:
(2.2mm (0.100") width blades)
Blade #.... Height (inches)
-1.0.......... 0.175
-0.5.......... 0.195
+0.0......... 0.215
+0.5......... 0.235
+1.0......... 0.255
+1.5......... 0.275
+2.0......... 0.295
+2.5......... 0.315
+3.0......... 0.335

Would this extrapolation be correct?
Distance to target: 100yds=300 Ft.
Barrel Length: 29"=2.41ft.
Number of barrel lengths over 300 ft: 300/2.41=124.48 barrel lengths per 100yds
Difference in height of taller front site blade: .295-.203= .092 taller
Barrel lengths per 100yds multiplied by site difference: 124.48x.092= 11.45" lower point of impact.
Not compensating for bullet travel arc would this be correct?

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 8:10 pm 
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Shot rifle today with new taller site blade. It is now about 2" low of the bullseye. Worked out perfect as now I am able to adjust rear site to get it perfect.

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