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 Post subject: Serbian 1924 5 ?
PostPosted: Sat Apr 17, 2010 10:26 pm 
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What can anyone tell me about a Serbian marked 1924 space looks like a 5 ? I have had this rifle for almost 20 years and am just now wanting to find out about it. Thanks to this site I as able to find out it has a Serbian crest. It is a mix match of numbers the only thing that matches is the stock & barreled action. My thoughts are it was fixed sort of FTR ed in 1945 but is a 1924 model serial number is 33XX any idea what the story could be for this rifle? Got it way back when for the high price of $60. Shot it now and again but it never grouped well. It mostly just sat around waiting for some love, now might be the time. Thank you all for such a wonderful site.


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 Post subject: Re: Serbian 1924 5 ?
PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 9:10 am 
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Welcome to SRF, Ravenmoon!
Is it possible for you to show some pictures? Clear pics of the markings on the top and sides of the receiver would be helpful. Of course, full length pics are also appreciated. We all love gun porn here! :wink:
Someone here might even be able to help you without the pics. We have some very knowledgeable/helpful people here.

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 Post subject: Re: Serbian 1924 5 ?
PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 9:29 am 
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Look again at your 5. It might be a "b". If so my understanding is that these Serb. model 1924's rifles were made from WW1 German Gew 98 receivers. I have one in my collection. Not a common rifle to find. HTH

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 Post subject: Re: Serbian 1924 5 ?
PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 10:13 pm 
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I took this rifle completly apart and did find a "B" mark on the left lower side of the recveiver ring where the stock and hand guard meet. I have looked at the mark and it is a diffrent type of stamp from the 1924 larger and not as nice formed. Guess it could be a "B" with a flat top or someone using 2 stamps over each other ( 1&5 ) to make a "B" with a flat 5 looking top. I could find no import markings any place. Stock has 2 faded looking marks mabey a Crown like the crest? and something else, other side has 2 serial numbers one matches the receiver/barrel both are 4 digits, the stock also has a dovetaile type repair below the sight. Its kinda homley but has mirror bright bore and the worst trigger of all the mil surp guns I have. Trigger might have more than a little to do with groups I get. I will have to up grade the trigger I just cant live with the mushy sticky feel of it. I will see what I can do for some photos, I am sure I can get something for you to look at.


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 Post subject: Re: Serbian 1924 5 ?
PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 5:40 am 
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Is it this Cyrllic "B"??..Homely or not thats a hard to find rifle..PM me if you might consider trading for a nice condition M24/47.. Before you do any modifications of course..If your looking for a shooter more than a collector it would be better than altering it. I've got a few nice mosins as well if youd rather..M44 and 91/30


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 Post subject: Re: Serbian 1924 5 ?
PostPosted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 9:24 pm 
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painterjohn wrote:
Is it this Cyrllic "B"??..Homely or not thats a hard to find rifle..PM me if you might consider trading for a nice condition M24/47.. Before you do any modifications of course..If your looking for a shooter more than a collector it would be better than altering it. I've got a few nice mosins as well if youd rather..M44 and 91/30


painterjohn, thats the closest looking to the 5 or B so I will say Thats it! Now what is the story I mean what makes this one different? I would never alter it But may buy a plastic stock and a better trigger. THANKS cant wait to here about it.


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 Post subject: Re: Serbian 1924 5 ?
PostPosted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 9:33 pm 
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Read my posting above.

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 Post subject: Re: Serbian 1924 5 ?
PostPosted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 9:57 pm 
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mauserdad, on the under side of the bolt handel of your rifle is a grown stamped? this would be the side that touches the receiver when the bolt is closed. My bolt is not matching and has a 5 digit number always wondered about this crown mark. Is it correct time line for this rifle or post WWII that was put in the next rifle that needed a bolt? the chamber on this is short I mean the brass HAS to be trimmed to the min or it wont chamber. Remembered that last night reloading last weekends cases from this rifle, now I know why I put a new 8MM case in with the dies and a dummy round. Borrowing a camera for the weekend so I will try to figure out how to post them.


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 Post subject: Re: Serbian 1924 5 ?
PostPosted: Fri Apr 23, 2010 8:02 pm 
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Yes on the base of the bolt handle on the bottom is a crown. That was typical of Imperial German Gew 98 rifles. Remember it is reported that these Yugo 1924b's were produced from war booty from Germany right after WW1. Also in addition according to Branko Bogdanovic's "Serbian and Yugoslav Mauser Rifle" book Austrian Mod 98 (Model 1912) Mausers were used also. The Kingdom of the Serb's,Croats and Slovenes (1918-1929) produced these 1924b's around 1927. His book also states that the Germans captured and reissued them in WW2. Quite a history on these rifles. Would like to see pictures to confirm it is indeed a 1924b. Ed

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 Post subject: Re: Serbian 1924 5 ?
PostPosted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 6:10 pm 
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I hope this picture shows up if it is not enough I can try to get a better one or more.


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 Post subject: Re: Serbian 1924 5 ?
PostPosted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 6:18 pm 
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Pics work YES! The last pic is of the "5" that turned into a B I was asking about. So is this the GEW 98 reworked rifle or something else?


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 Post subject: Re: Serbian 1924 5 ?
PostPosted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 11:15 pm 
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Yep,thats it. It is a 1924b. Like I said above it could be a former German Gew 98 or a Austrian M1912. These are standard length M98 Mauser actions. The regular Serb/Yugo 1924's are intermediate length Mauser actions(Slightly shorter than the standard length). Even though they are both Mauser 98 designed actions their bolts will not interchange. Also the triggerguards are slightly different.HTH. Ed

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 Post subject: Re: Serbian 1924 5 ?
PostPosted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 12:36 am 
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That's an altered GEW98 or Mexican model 1912. Or something like that. I never could get that M1924b straight in my head. Check this out... http://www.amazon.com/reader/1882391357?_encoding=UTF8&ref_=sib_pdp_sip_0&ie=UTF8&v=search-inside&query=national%20crest#reader_1882391357 That should link you to Branko's book on amazon open to the section on model 1924b's You can view a few pages, enough to get some idea about this model.

And it's not "Serbian" and strictly speaking, that's not the "Serbian" crest what it is is a Yugoslavian crest of the "Kingdom of Yugoslavia." (briefly preceded by the Kingdom of Croats, Serbs & Slovenes but, using the same crest.)


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 Post subject: Re: Serbian 1924 5 ?
PostPosted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 10:35 pm 
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Thank you all! For years this rifle was always going to get sporterd, bolt turned down, new stock, better trigger, barrel (maybe) and scoped. Now after reading all this I can see it has been rework enough, so it will stay as is except for the stock I think. Most likley I will just shoot it. Got a nasty small ring 7mm to play with and a New husky SM receiver if I get a Lot of energy and some extra bucks. Looking at 100 new 8mm Privi cases, 3 bls of 4064 and 500 bullets many makes and weights. Will be slining something down range Sunday


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 Post subject: Re: Serbian 1924 5 ?
PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2010 9:15 am 
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Thank you all! For years this rifle was always going to get sporterd, bolt turned down, new stock, better trigger, barrel (maybe) and scoped. Now after reading all this I can see it has been rework enough, so it will stay as is except for the stock I think. Most likley I will just shoot it. Got a nasty small ring 7mm to play with and a New husky SM receiver if I get a Lot of energy and some extra bucks. Looking at 100 new 8mm Privi cases, 3 bls of 4064 and 500 bullets many makes and weights. Will be slinging something down range Sunday

Based on recent postings on auctions, these only very rarely turn up, one was selling for between $400 & $500. It wouldn't be worth that sported. There are definitely better choices for that. I am glad you bothered to check up on it before going ahead.

By example, I have a model 1924 that escaped Tito's refurb program. It did not escape sporting. Somebody chopped and 'bent' the bolt. But... this isn't your ordinary M1924. It's a CXC marked example of the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats & Slovenes (the correct order. I see I reversed it above). They only produced about 60,000 before changing the markings. It would have been worth between as much as $500-$600. It sure isn't now! #-o ](*,)

In another case a fellow bought a 24/47. But it had a twist we hadn't seen before. It was configured as a carbine. We thought it was just a fluke that slipped through the refurb program... Nope. Turns out it was purpose built for a small unit of Mountain cavalry. Probably only 5,000-6,000 made and to date, only 4 are known to exist and three of those are in a museum in England. Those are so rare you can't even establish a value for them.

Even among the more ordinary 24/47s collectors are beginning to shop harder and pay more for some rail markings. Some are starting to bring upwards of $400. These aren't just "old commie guns" any more.

So you folks who like to sporterize, please check the history of your rifles before you start hacking! Please!?


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