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 Post subject: Yugo PAP AK DO NOT BUY
PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 10:26 pm 
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Just a heads ups guys

If anyone is considering buying the new Yugo AK being imported......DONT

I found out after buying mine that they are singlestack guns converted here by century arms. They have a narrow bolt that they dont change out for the double stack bolts and it causes feeding problems. Im out $82.50 shipping/transfer fees. The company I bought from is taking it back minus those costs so for me it's an exspensive lesson. I hope others find this and dont make the same mistake

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 10:55 pm 
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Get a m10 instead. :D

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 1:47 am 
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It seems like importing proper bolts would be pretty easy for this company. Zastava has to be making them.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 3:10 pm 
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Did you have feeding issues or just hear about it?

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 5:32 pm 
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Seem like a merry go round sometimes.

I have had issues, cost me $82.50 in shipping and transfer to get my original purchase price refunded.

To be clear.

Rifle has improper bolt and trunnion for Double stack mags. Works fine with single stack, when modified here by century arms you have issues.

Again to be clear the lower lug on the bolt which engages the rear of cartrdiges is HALF the size of standard ak bolt, problem waiting to happen. Century cut a corner here and the customers pay.

As to the M10, Considering the construction materials and tolerances of romanian manufacturing I feel they are overpriced IMHO :)

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 8:26 pm 
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There are many satisfied customers who purchased the PAP conversions. You are the first negative report I have heard. I do not own one as I have a handful of kit builds etc.
Too bad for your negative experience but the information on how these are imported and produced has been out there for a good while.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 9:03 pm 
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So did you actually have feeding problems? Or just hear they had problems and sent it back?
Whagt ammo were you using? Some AK's just will not feed softpoints.
As far as I know they use the same bolt.
Seen hundreds of double stack conversions that work just fine.
Yup they just hack out the mag well and you have a instant double stack.

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As a builder of AK's I have to agree with Burner that there has to be a bigger problem. AK's work.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 10:45 pm 
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You guys kill me

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_4_89/14412 ... s_it_.html

As you will see its no standard AK

My AK would not feed/charge from left side of mag when tilted at all with the mag it came with or the 10 euro steel surplus I bought for it ,which if you do some searching you will see is not all that uncommon, distributor confirmed they had another with same issue come back.

I hope pics will demonstrate what I said. For those that disagree, buy one, I wish you the best

As they say, no good deed goes unpunished


I am just trying to inform those on the fence what these rifles are, info I wish I had before I made my choice to purchase one. For those with a mechanical background its easy to see that they would feed marginal at best, not something I would be happy to spend 700 on.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 10:46 pm 
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These rifles work and like Akblue said, the info about their features has been out there awhile,
After handling one of them I did some research and learned that century was just doing what century does: making money and bringing us fun toys to play with, My two cents.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 11:14 pm 
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MarcusB wrote:
You guys kill me

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_4_89/14412 ... s_it_.html

As you will see its no standard AK

My AK would not feed/charge from left side of mag when tilted at all with the mag it came with or the 10 euro steel surplus I bought for it ,which if you do some searching you will see is not all that uncommon, distributor confirmed they had another with same issue come back.

I hope pics will demonstrate what I said. For those that disagree, buy one, I wish you the best

As they say, no good deed goes unpunished


I am just trying to inform those on the fence what these rifles are, info I wish I had before I made my choice to purchase one. For those with a mechanical background its easy to see that they would feed marginal at best, not something I would be happy to spend 700 on.



Well., It appears you did very little or no research on the PAP rifles.. It is not a secret that the new generation PAP's are not standard Yugoslavian M70B1 rifles. They are converted single stacks and are imported in several variarions.., never the less., they function well for the majority of folks. Or some mods needed to make them operate properly. I have built dozens of AK types and I'm familiar with how they work and what the bolts look like.
Again., too bad about your experience. But one bad Chevrolet does not mean there are no good Chevy's out there.
Maybe a WASR etc., is a better bet for you. But they have some issues from time to time as well.
Good Luck if you decide on an AK rifle.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2012 12:30 am 
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Yeah I am sorry to hear about the problems you have had. I am just asking because l bought one unconverted before century started converting theirs. They were not designed to do what they are doing. When they first started coming to the US they were $325 and at that price guys were putting the m70 bolts in them with success. Century seems to know how to give good things a bad name. In their original form they are really well made.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2012 12:31 am 
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Sorry duplicate post

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2012 7:08 am 
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I tried my best, im done debating in circles

Frankly im suprised at the tone of some of the post's

Good luck to those that proceed with one

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I saw a youtube conversion vid of an org yugo pap. it went from the black plastic stock to wood, ( and the proper 922 r parts.).. The guy dremeled out the magwell, and inside the reciever as there is/are metal plates to align the single stack mag.
When he went to test fire it, he discovered the bolt was indeed different. it was redesigned for the single stack mags.
He bought another bolt and problem was solved.
When these were 325 , i was seriously gonna get one. even tho i have 3 aks at my disposale now. i just like the yugo version, wood stocked that is. I have a pre ban norico folder for shooting,
But then century got ahold of them , converts them. and charges twice what i could have gotten them for. And the do it myself conversion was very doable....
I am sorry for your trouble...

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