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7.65 French Long.

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Re: 7.65 French Long.

#46 Post by 72 usmc » Thu Jan 23, 2020 11:37 am

For the record, Steinel .32 French long pistol ammunition

Manufacturer: Steinel Ammunition Co.
Condition: New 50per cardboard box
Bullet Weight: 110gr
Bullet Type: Plated Round Nose
Casing: Brass- Starline with correct cuts( Factory brass not converted) and “7.65 FL” Headstamp
Shell holder best fit: RCBS special order shell holder 7.65 French MAS ( 32 French Long) discontinued by Midway, must special order from RCBS $32, see my note on page 3 from RCBS reply. Also add 8 Feb the RCBS or Lee 22 Hornet fits with a little wobble
STARLING Brass Fits: CH4D die set for .32French long and most likely the RCBS set- both special order and $$$
Quantity: 50
Caliber: 7.65 French Long/.32 French Long
Primer Type: Boxer-reloadable
Muzzle Vel: 1,000 FPS
Corrosive: No
OAL: 1.185 inch This has been confirmed by Steinel.
Bullet diameter: .308 inch pretty consistently
Add 8 Feb. case length of Starline brass average appears to be 0.772 inches
Cost: $25.99 per box
At 52 cents per shot you do not have to crawl in the tall grass to search for hand machined brass. Brass is 32 cents per case from Starline. :dance: link for just new brass: https://www.starlinebrass.com/765-french-long
Company link for French long ammunition ready to go: https://www.steinelammo.com/product/7-6 ... -50-count/
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Re: 7.65 French Long.

#47 Post by Superbug1 » Thu Jan 23, 2020 11:57 am

This current batch measures right at.308 pretty consistently.

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Re: 7.65 French Long.

#48 Post by Superbug1 » Sun Jan 26, 2020 7:39 pm

Had a chance to shoot the Steinel ammo today. One word: stout. I've never put ammo through the 1935A that wasn't mellow. The gun is heavy enough to have very little recoil with standard ammunition. Today I thought I was getting hammer bite. Instead it was just the gun bucking back every time I took a shot. It tends to get you in the web of your hand. I'm not suggesting that the ammo is in any way bad or inferior or anything like that. It is simply more powerful than anything else I have had the opportunity to fire through the two 1935As I've had the privilege of owning. Hope this helps. I am looking forward to getting some custom dies so I can fine tune some ammo for this pistol.

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Re: 7.65 French Long.

#49 Post by 72 usmc » Sun Jan 26, 2020 9:14 pm

Interesting, thank you. Buffalo converted was always weaker than original French steel case .32 French long. I guess I need to reload a few Starline cases with the original powder and the original bullet and then get one box Of Steinel and see what I think as a comparison.
Tuna did you buy any of the Steinel ammo to make a comparison?
The forgotten Weapons video a quote after shooting" That's a little snappy" So maybe it is a wee bit hot!
Tuna or I will have to do a test. But its another pistol that fired with no jams.
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Re: 7.65 French Long.

#50 Post by Tuna » Sun Jan 26, 2020 9:25 pm

Those that are using .32 auto dies should contact Lee about their dies. They have been making them in batches of late and the correct shell holder is included. Works with the Starline brass as well as the French brass. Oh and the Hornady 90 gr. .309 diameter hp is an excellent bullet for the French long.

No I have not tried any other ammo other then the French transferred to the Starline brass and ones that I have loaded myself.

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Re: 7.65 French Long.

#51 Post by 72 usmc » Mon Jan 27, 2020 2:28 pm

I got the reply from Andy at Steinel:
Same information that Superbug 1 measured from his ammo: The reply states,
Do your fellow forum members ever mention calibers that they wish were more commercially available? We're always looking for our next cartridge.

It is a .308gr 30 Carbine bullet- so cases must be sized down. I believe it ( OAL) is 1.185" off the top of my head but I don't have access to our spec or on press log sheets right now.

I'm very glad people are talking about it! With the feedback we've been getting- including its use in the MAS38...I'll assume it's positive.

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Re: 7.65 French Long.

#52 Post by 72 usmc » Mon Jan 27, 2020 7:17 pm

monday 27 Jan. :idea: To all those that are thinking about this ammunition. I am not sure this is a secret or not, I ordered 5 boxes of .32 French long and any order over $50 is free shipping until Wed. 29 Jan 2020. :clap: :dance: So if you need that special ammo., tonight or tomorrow is the time to order & save on shipping from STEINEL. :dance: :dance: 45 different French 1935s pistols all fired the .32 French long w/o failures. It is described as a wee bit snappy! :arrow: https://youtu.be/aPHbnWZ6FeQ The web page has 38 reviews, all good on this stuff.
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Re: 7.65 French Long.

#53 Post by Tuna » Sun Feb 02, 2020 4:01 pm

I am surprised that they do not load it with the correct 85 gr. bullet instead of the 110gr. 30 carbine bullet. But then again it's cheaper to get the carbine bullets then the correct ones from the likes of Sierra or Hornady.

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Re: 7.65 French Long.

#54 Post by 72 usmc » Thu Feb 06, 2020 3:21 pm

Well I got some time so I sorted my ammo can full of original .32 french long in order to save some of each headstamp. I had no idea what was in it, but have a note saying I paid 9 cents per round about 20 years ago. It is all steel case original French .32 Longue ammunition. None of it fires-- maybe one hang fire out of every 50 I tried. All dead primers. It appears approximately 60% is ATS 1947. What I found are a variety of headstamps: VE 1942, 1943, 1945, 1946, 1947: then ATS 1945, 1946, 1947( Most of what I am using for reloading), 1948; finally I got VE FY 1951, 1952 an unopened box, and 1954. What I want to do is take down one of the 1942 VE, 1945 VE; 1946 ATS, 1947 ATS; and 1951 VE FY and show photos of the headstamp, complete cartridge, powder type, and bullet. Then I want to weigh the powder and bullet of each of these five samples. Some of the others I have less than 25-30 cartridges so I am saving them. I hope to get this accomplished in the next day or so. I will also show my progress with reloading Starline brass with the pulled bullets and powder from the ATS 1947 garbage and see how it fires in comparison to the Steinel ammunition. SWIHARTMARK is saying to himself, it's about time, you told me this 8 years ago. Better late then never. :oops:
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Re: 7.65 French Long.

#55 Post by 72 usmc » Fri Feb 07, 2020 7:43 pm

Well spent the day playing around having fun, mostly looking for things that I forgot where I put them. It took a hour of searching for the scale and .....
So I took down a total of five rounds from two different makers VE and ATS and different years (the ones I had more than 100 of). I then took four pictures of each cartridge in order to show the headstamp, powder, and bullet. The powder seemed different in each cartridge, OAL was measured on three random cartridges for each of the five samples. You see the results on these original French, .32 long, steel case cartridges. I will post each result as a separate response. I plan to use the ATS 1947 batch to reload my Starline .32 brass; I will salvage the powder and bullet. I got hundreds of rounds of this junk.

So the first cartridge is headstamped VE 1942. My random sample of 3 indicated OAL of 1.189 inch, 1.194 inch, and 1.195 inch. Powder in the single pulled cartridge (only one sample) came in at 5.1 grains and the bullet weight is 86.0 grains with a diameter of .309 inch.
Here are the photos of headstamp VE 1942, all photos of each specimen will be in the same order, and by increasing year of production.
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Re: 7.65 French Long.

#56 Post by 72 usmc » Fri Feb 07, 2020 7:47 pm

VE 1945
The second cartridge is headstamped VE 1945. My random sample of 3 indicated OAL of 1.192 inch, 1.192 inch, and 1.188 inch. Powder in the single pulled cartridge came in at 5.0 grains and the bullet weight is 86.0 grains with a diameter of .309 inch.
Here are the photos of headstamp VE 1945:
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powder VE 1945.jpg
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Re: 7.65 French Long.

#57 Post by 72 usmc » Fri Feb 07, 2020 7:53 pm

ATS 1946

The third cartridge is headstamped ATS 1946. My random sample of 3 indicated OAL of 1.193 inch, 1.194 inch, and 1.195 inch. Powder in the single pulled cartridge came in at 4.7 grains and the bullet weight is 86.2 grains with a diameter of .309 inch.
Here are the photos of headstamp ATS 1946:
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Re: 7.65 French Long.

#58 Post by 72 usmc » Fri Feb 07, 2020 7:56 pm

ATS 1947

The fourth cartridge is headstamped ATS 1947. My random sample of 3 indicated OAL of 1.190 inch, 1.191 inch, and 1.192 inch. Powder in the single pulled cartridge came in at 4.7. grains and the bullet weight is 86.7 grains with a diameter of .309 inch.
Here are the photos of headstamp ATS 1947:
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powder ATS 1947.jpg
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Re: 7.65 French Long.

#59 Post by 72 usmc » Fri Feb 07, 2020 8:00 pm

VE FY 1951

The fifth cartridge is headstamped VE FY 1951. My random sample of 3 indicated OAL of 1.185 inch, 1.187 inch, and 1.190 inch. Powder in the single pulled cartridge came in at 4.7 grains and the bullet weight is 85.4 grains with a diameter of .309 inch.
Here are the photos of headstamp VE FY 1951:
VEFY 1951.jpg
powder VEFY 1951.jpg
VEFY 1951P.jpg
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As a result , I am going to use the ATS 1947 powder & bullet at an OAL of 1.185 and see how they fire with CCI small pistol primers in the Starline brass. My Steinel ammo came, but I got to pick it up next Monday and I will pull a round and see what the powder grain amount is and have a look at the powder. I will post photos. I want to have some reloads from the original bullet contents to compare with the Steinel ammunition. Steinel uses an OAL of 1.185 and a 30 cal. .308 bullet.
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Re: 7.65 French Long.

#60 Post by 72 usmc » Sat Feb 08, 2020 3:46 pm

You would be surprised when you talk to a fellow Marine at Fed Ex, ammo was resent and arrived today. Semper Fi
Steinel .32 French long ammo

This Steinel Starline brass is Brass case & boxer primed. When I pulled the bullet the crimp on the Steinel ammo was not as firm as the original French steel cartridges. Powder was at the lowest level inside the case. In contrast, the light brown french powder in the VE 1942 was filled to the top of the bullet and some grains actually stuck to the base of the bullet.

I measured 20 cartridges in my box and all bullets were nuts on at .308 inches. OAL varried a wee bit, and was not exactly 1.185inch. What my (20) sample got was 1.179, 1.181 (4), 1.182 (4), 1.184 (3), 1.185 (6), 1.187 (2). So it seems the OAL is approximately 1.185 in the box I sampled.
The powder grain weight was 4 grains and bullet weight was 109.6 grains.
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