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PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2007 11:37 am 
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I'm trying to track down some info on an M1 that I purchased at a local show several years ago. It has been converted to 7.62x51 NATO, quite well IMO. I've no gripes with it; it's been about as reliable as gravity and shoots at least as well as I can hold for anymore with iron sights and my now bifocal-clad eyes.

As it came, a new 7.62 chambered barrel had been installed along with a filler block in the feed well to prevent loading a clip of .30-06. The piston end of the op rod looks to have been redone, and interior of the gas cylinder looks nearly new. All metal had been nicely re-Parkerized, and the stock/hand guards were USGI walnut in VG condition. The receiver is a Springfield, and the serial number indicates that it was manufactured in mid-1943. I paid $475 for it, including tax.

The only non-GI markings on it are: "Arlington Ordnance" and "7.62 NATO" on the chamber end of the barrel under the upper hand guard. If I recall correctly, the papers (basic instruction sheet cribbed from a GI field manual and warranty info) and box that it came with were also so-marked. The company is apparently now defunct and the packing stuff long gone, so I have little to go on.

Can somebody help me find some info on the company? I know that it's impossible to assign an accurate approximation as to value without a personal exam, but if someone could offer a 'ballpark' figure on its possible current value, too, I'd be much obliged. FWIW, the stock and hand guards were replaced with a new Reinhart Fajen laminated set purchased from Midway back when Fajen was going under and a Schuster DCM-legal gas plug installed.

Many thanks for any help y'all can offer!

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PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2007 11:48 am 
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Arlington Ordnance is the former Blue Sky (importer). They were repatriating Garands (from Korea and other places), refinishing, and then reselling them.

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I have an Arlington Ordnance Garand that I bought about 10 years ago at a department store. The original box had the words Arlington Ordnance printed on the cover, with some goofy wood graphics. I think that I paid just under 300 for mine.

The rifle would not feed right, and would eject half full clips. After about 50 rounds, I put the rifle back in the box, and left it there until two years ago. Went on line, spent about 50.00 in replacement parts, and now the rifle shoots and operates well.

Blue Sky and AO never did have much of a following, and some if not most needed work out of the box. I would say that they are at the low end of pricing. Of course, you could find a replacement barrel, and no one would know the difference.
I would say that if the finish is presentable, you probably are looking at a 600-700 rifle to the right buyer, just because it's converted into 7.62, and there are those out there who will look for one.


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PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2007 8:19 pm 
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clad,

I'd just be happy that you have an Arlington Ord rifle that functions well....

You'll be much more likely to find people that want to DE-value your rifle for it's association with AO than will be willing to give it some premium in value because of it. AO generally has a checkered rep......

YOur M1 is basically a shooter grade rifle. Any determination of value depends on the overall condition and whether or not it has any parts that might individually have some collector appeal. As a general rule, if the rifle has a barrel with low TE & MW readings, 90% plus original parkerizing, and a good TIGHT set of wood, then it's probably worth $600-$700 (Depending on the market where you live too....). Only worth more than that if it's in exceptional shape and-or has something about it that sets it apart from the run of the mill shooter.

Just my thoughts,
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 12:23 pm 
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Swampy: I am. I bought it to shoot, and as long as it functions reliably and keeps hitting where I point it, I'm happy.

I asked about a ballpark value figure because we recently changed carriers on our home owner's insurance, not because I anticipate selling it. Couldn't find much specific to conversions in general in what reference material I have and have little idea of what the local market might bear as far as Garands go. My major interests lie elsewhere, so I don't keep current.

If, as y'all say, the levels of functional reliability and accuracy that I get from my rifle are something of an aberration for the marque, all I can say is that I'm tickled as heck to have come out on the 'good' end of fortune's bell curve there. I field stripped it, looked everything over carefully and ran a clip of 'dummies' through it before I wrote the check. While I'm not sophisticated in Garand arcana, I think that I've developed a pretty good understanding of how a machine should be put together from thirty-odd years of maintaining and repairing high-speed industrial processing and packaging equipment to be a fair judge of workmanship. It was chambered for a caliber with inexpensive surplus ammo readily available. It looked good and 'felt' right, especially when I compared it to some other 'rack' grade M1s there being offered for a good deal more money. That's all I wanted, and I'm happy.

Many thanks again for the response.

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In all fairness to Blue Sky and Arlington Ordnance, they were merely importers who bought a bunch of Garands from Korea. The only issue I had with them is that they didn't take the time to sort out the rifles, they just threw them all on the market looking for the quick buck. Even that may be harsh, they were businessmen, not collectors.

Mine is a H&R, and I'm glad I have it. If I ever make it to one of the CMP stores, I'll pick up a used H&R barrel, and mount a presentable birch stock.

Don't leave the boards just yet. If you like Garands, try a Mauser......then a Mosin...


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In all fairness to Blue Sky and Arlington Ordnance, they were merely importers who bought a bunch of Garands from Korea.


Unfortunately, not entirely true....

While Blue Sky was an importer.... AO made (or had made) their own M1 receivers, with their name on the heel.

I've only seen a single example of an AO receivered M1 rifle. As it happens, it was the single most crappy piece of metal work I've ever had the dis-pleasure to examine in my life. The receiver looked like an 8th Grade shop class casting project that got an "F".

The rifle WOULD NOT FUNCTION !!! The receiver was visibly out of spec. You could see with the unaided eye the curves in the op-rod track. Racking the op-rod felt like trying to shift gears in a tranny full of sand. The trigger group fit into the receiver at a cocked angle. I can't imagine that the lockup of the bolt lugs was even and who knows how bad the headspace was.....

There's no telling what might have happened if the old gent who showed me that rifle had actually managed to get it to fire. I advised him NOT to attempt it ever again and to get it rebuilt on a CMP GI receiver. He did, and the rifle now works fine. The old receiver has probably been re-cast into a dishwasher frame somewhere by now.....

BTW, this was only about 3 years ago..... Those pc's of crap are still out there.....

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 4:55 pm 
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Wow, I had no idea. Speechless. I thought that the only ones who got into the " marginal receiver game" was Century, via Lithgow.

OK, anyway, Claddagh, stay with the boards, its fun here. Hell, if you're ex-military, (like at least some of us are, might be an interesting poll) or even if you're not, lots of good non-biased no-attitude info here.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 7:59 am 
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Guys,

I'm going to have to backtrack here....

Last night I was thinking about this and realized that I have had a major brain fart re this thread.

The rifle I described above did not have a receiver made by Arlington Ordnance.... It was made by FEDERAL Ordnance.

I got the two mixed up in my head

My bad..... :cry:
The egg is on my face...... sorry for the mix-up.

Best to all,
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 11:39 am 
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You needn't be concerned, saablook. I asked for opinions and I got them. I've no particular 'ego' stake in the rifle, so I'm not predisposed to leave a perfectly good forum in a huff just because someone isn't particularly impressed with one of my toys.

While this is the only Garand I own at present, at one time or another I've managed to own at least one example of a fairly broad cross section of milsurp small arms over the years. The majority of them went away shortly after my curiosity was satisfied (or I couldn't find ammo for them anymore), and some I still have. Not a 'collector' of anything; more an 'accumulator' of things which engage my fancy.

At present, I have an assortment of SMLE variants, a Smith Corona 1903-A3, a nice K-31, several SKSes (including my personal 'trophy' Chinese M21 from 1968) of various make, the M1, and an heirloom 1883 'Trapdoor' Springfield. Handguns include a S&W 1917 and "Victory" .38 Spl., Bulgie Makarov, CZ 70 and 52, a Nagant, a 1933 Tokarev (also from Tet), and a Shansei "Broomhandle' .45. A motley bunch, but I like 'em.

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