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Antique Shop Find

#1 Post by Phantom 778 » Tue May 12, 2020 11:16 pm

Went antique shopping today and stumbled across this! It appears to be a Czech VZ-24 bayonet. I do not know anything about these at all! Can someone help me understand these markings? What does the "L" stand for?
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"FR" prefix. Was this a Romanian contract?
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"CSZ" over "L"

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Re: Antique Shop Find

#2 Post by 72 usmc » Wed May 13, 2020 12:16 am

some info read on .... VZ 24 bayonets are common a good buy at $25 more likely $45-65 similar see flee bay:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-1940-SLOV ... SwkNReJ9QG

Your find has more clear markings and what I see of the blade its good, with use

http://worldbayonets.com/Bayonet_Identi ... kia_2.html

http://www.old-smithy.info/bayonets/HTN ... H_VZ24.htm

http://www.old-smithy.info/bayonets/HTN ... rkings.htm

https://forums.gunboards.com/showthread ... n-Progress

CSZ = Brno factory, L under CSZ = manufacturing block code for blade, Circle Z = export mark, SYMBOL> Double cross over 3 rocks on scabbard= Slovak Army Mark 39-45, E lion Date = the Government acceptance mark & date (I do not see this) , FR R= Romanian code for FR export manufacturing block, The number 6478 is a serial number. Is it also on the guard of the bayonet? on the spline ? Any unit markings on the back pommel? Maybe the spline? Does the catch button work? Is scabbard dented? Has the blade been poorly filed? Cracks to the handle? Is the barrel ring bent or perfectly round?
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Re: Antique Shop Find

#3 Post by Phantom 778 » Wed May 13, 2020 9:16 pm

72 usmc wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 12:16 am
Is it also on the guard of the bayonet? on the spline ? Any unit markings on the back pommel? Maybe the spline? Does the catch button work? Is scabbard dented? Has the blade been poorly filed? Cracks to the handle? Is the barrel ring bent or perfectly round?
Thank you for taking the time to answer my posting. I have taken additional pictures and will try to answer each one of your questions. There are no numbers on the guard or spline, however; I do see the letters "CM." As for the back pommel, I see "7298." The catch button does work and the scabbard has minor dents. (very very minor). The blade does not appear to have been "filed" although I must admit I do not know exactly what your asking here. I hope the pictures below will help clearify. The handle is not cracked, however; there are several gouges. The barrel ring is perfectly round.
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Overall Condition. Bayonet & Sheath
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Gouges in Handle. "X" Shape
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Perfectly Round Barrel Ring
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"7298"
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"CM"

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Re: Antique Shop Find

#4 Post by 72 usmc » Wed May 13, 2020 9:36 pm

Bummer the serial number on the bayonet does not match the scabbard. Most are like this, it is a nice find to get a matched set. Some guys really sharpened a bayonet on a grinder of used a file and reduced the blade or left dings in the blade. Nice that the ring was not cut down. Yours looks good. This is bad news condition in the lower photo. Yours is a winner- general average nice condition with patina. Does it fit your Vz 24?
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Here is a nice one on a rifle. http://sharky-fourbees.blogspot.com/201 ... bbard.html
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Re: Antique Shop Find

#5 Post by Phantom 778 » Wed May 13, 2020 10:04 pm

My example is not sharpened thankfully! As for my VZ-24 rifle... I do not have one 😞. My local pawn shop is selling one with extremely nice wood but missing crest for $599. Seems way too high.

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Re: Antique Shop Find

#6 Post by 72 usmc » Wed May 13, 2020 10:14 pm

My dog, back is beat ( they make good tent peg hammers) so it does not slip on, but this is one of about 5. Back in the day they came with frogs $25
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Actually a VZ 24 in Good with crest in Petersons new 2020 price guide is at $500. I sold a no crest example in a trade for an Israeli K98 in 308. No one wanted to pay $300. Perfect bore and matching bolt, but partially ground crest. So figure about $300, lacking a crest no one really wants them.
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Re: Antique Shop Find

#7 Post by Phantom 778 » Wed May 13, 2020 10:51 pm

Well I have been keeping a close eye on that VZ-24 rifle because the wood is just so nice. Very nice I must add. As for VZ-24 bayonet frogs, are they still available? Any good reproductions out there or can the originals still be had for cheap? I really like your example as well; very nice bayonet!

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Re: Antique Shop Find

#8 Post by 72 usmc » Thu May 14, 2020 12:47 am

:happy-bouncyshadowgreen: :happy-bouncyshadowgreen: original Frogs= https://www.libertytreecollectors.com/p ... oduct=8716
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but prices are now a bit high, Libertytreecollectors is a top notch place.

Reproductions= At the Front, Brown K98 would be ok and is better quality reproduction than the Indian made black ones, but it needs aging in a wash machine and oiling and some dirt. Another re enactor place for great reproductions.
https://www.atthefront.com/category-s/174.htm
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No stitching up the center reproduction:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Czechoslovakia ... 2857440103
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Re: Antique Shop Find

#9 Post by Phantom 778 » Thu May 14, 2020 7:03 am

Thanks! I'll be ordering me one then! Thanks for the help!

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