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WW I Snead Victory Lamp- Morgan Explosion

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Re: WW I Snead Victory Lamp- Morgan Explosion

#136 Post by 72 usmc » Mon Sep 09, 2019 10:20 pm

For the record :arrow: :arrow: :cry: THIS IS THE PROPER SOCKET on an Uncle Ed Lamp.
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The lower photo shows two sockets (Bryant)
The first is for a Victory Lamp; the second is for an Uncle Ed Lamp. Both are ORIGINAL. Notice the hole off to the base on the original socket -Dual purpose shuttle switch.
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A harsh comment "Stupid is as stupid does..." ring a bell? :violin: :violin: :(

It is a tragic shame what occurred to this poor lamp. It would have been worth something if left as is for a professional lamp restoration person to correct and restore. End of lecture. Sorry.
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Re: WW I Snead Victory Lamp- Morgan Explosion

#137 Post by 72 usmc » Tue Sep 10, 2019 12:48 am

I missed the helmet photos. So I added them because of some interesting points. Looks to be freshly sprayed paint. Not even an original finish. Is it a brass one? Or, is it a steel British one? Is it a reproduction ? Again no dents and wear to the helmet- its patina does not match a 100 year old lamp. Its condition does not match the condition of the shell body. It has definitely been recently repainted. The problem to restoration. The white interior would be next to impossible to remove back to the old, white, lead enamel. Will the new white paint come off to expose the old lead finish? Or would both be destroyed in a removal/restoration attempt to expose the original lead paint intact? Maybe even the lamp bulb clip was painted silver or is a new replacement part. :doh: :doh:
The freshly painted green can be removed from the brass. But I believe the helmet is still damaged beyond restoration. If this was truly an original brass Uncle Ed helmet, to do such changes to it is beyond nuts. One might as well polish or chrome the shell to complete the lunacy.
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I do not see chin strap anchors, but it is close to a British
???? Or is this an original Brass Uncle Ed helmet painted over??? If it is painted over brass; then it was an original, light weight, clip on, Uncle Ed helmet. I wonder. No folded edge. see last photo. No copper color to light bulb holder clamp like seen on an original. Remember, I have observed only two examples, so I am still unsure of the actual attributes found on an intact example.
Below is a reproduction Brodie helmet
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The Uncle Ed helmet is brass, not steel. The helmet's Lip is on the top, upper side of the edge- which is correct to the IMA lamp. This could be a posssible brass, Uncle Ed helmet that was repainted and really screwed up---this would really be a bad thing for a restoration. Just makes me sick!
The original, aged, patina and finish is gone. Maybe, it is some reproduction garbage???? Who knows??? Just too many questions, and this lamp has undergone some serious modifications to the point it is no longer considered an intact antique. I guess this a great example of what not to do to one of the 1,769 Uncle Eds lamps produced.
Below is a view of the IMA original Uncle Ed helmet in its intact finish.
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Re: WW I Snead Victory Lamp- Morgan Explosion

#138 Post by 72 usmc » Sun Sep 22, 2019 1:56 pm

So the dust has settled on poorly restored Victory lamps. Time to switch subjects.

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Here is a very interesting new version of a" Victory" ashtray. While in poor condition, it sold fast. I made an offer and in the time that elapsed to get a reply, a lucky buyer paid the full BUY IT NOW price. I think that was $69 or $79 plus $15 shipping. I was cheep and did not think many would be after it because it was so beat; hence, I lost out. This is the first one I have seen marked 'PEACE". I have observed two other ones marked like the Victory lamp that also had the crazy decoration on the top edge. Most do not. Note, this has the brass base on the shell bottom. I am not sure if it's home made, or a factory version. The letter fonts seem to match for upper case letters. But stampings on the word "PEACE" and "75 MM" seem weak and lightly applied. There also appears to be a line under the date stamp. This I have never observed on these ashtrays. Is the date underlined? :think: The 7 & the 5 are very different from number fonts found on the lamps. I am not sure if the upper edge treatment is a factory production. Most Victory ashtrays have a smooth, milled edge.
Most have well stamped, deep lettering on the ashtray. This Peace example is in doubt. :shhh: :think: :think: :think:


This Victory ash tray reads:
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PEACE
Nov. 11 1918
75 MM

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This is a recently sold eBay factory produced, "Victory" ashtray with what is considered a normal upper edge.
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Re: WW I Snead Victory Lamp- Morgan Explosion

#139 Post by Charles Lipscomb » Tue Oct 08, 2019 2:53 pm

Stumbled on this post, very interesting, and I am way back on the first page.
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