WW I Snead Victory Lamp- Morgan Explosion

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Same lamp as above. All photos are sourced from the auction Ap 2020. Details of the incorrect parts. It appears to have been redone rewired sometime ca. 1950s using a vintage, but not correct Monowatt pull chain socket that has a nice patina. The lamp can easily be switched to a correct, vintage Bryant red/black shuttle switch. It appears from scratches and peeling paint that the original finish may not be present, removed to bare metal? :think: The price is very fair ( started at $50) and a great buy for a parts lamp. Both the brass cone and base remain un-dented and have a nice original patina. A good number of lamps get their brass, base stand bent from poor packing & rough shipping due to the weight of the lamp banging around loose in the box. This movement inside a poorly packaged box can also destroy the socket and bend the cone. The cone and base are hard items to find intact. Heck, it would be nice to have a bare shell. Two bidders on the first day... we shall see the going flee bay value.

A nice original non dented brass base with great patina. Correct washer and wing nut. Rubber ring is present & not cracked.
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incorrect Monowatt socket but can be salvaged.
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Incorrect cord & plug 1950s
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Perfect brass cone with patina, and strip the paint, and one has a nice metal shell to place next to an intact lamp
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Sold at crazy price considering its poor repainted condition and $25 in shipping added on! Parts be expensive. :doh: :o
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UNCLE ED- a tall specimen. Patent Date 6 March 1919, Serial # 281,098
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I have been silent on the recent Victory Lamp seen on eBay because I bid $212 and lost my high bid to a high roller. It sold with 29 bids on 23 April
2020 and came out of Reston, Virgina. It was original, but in somewhat poor condition. The lamp body was rusty and at that price not worth more for restoration since it would be difficult to maintain the original surface patina, yet remove rust without leaving a pitted surface. Auction Pictures were
too poor to get a true idea of the extent and depth of the rust. Electrolysis might have worked? I was going to try it on the shell if I won the bid.
But while it removes the rust, it may also reveal pits if the rust eats at the surface over long exposure to moist air. It was going to be a $200 gamble.
see http://www.surplusrifleforum.com/viewto ... =59&t=2929

Sure someone could buff it like new, but that would destroy the antique value of the lamp. The paper label if present would have added $100 to the

going price! But that was missing and a big factor as well as the rust in my decision to back off in price. While time certainly took its toll on this
lamp, it was a tall Uncle Ed version of the Victory Lamp. It had a few modifications during its life: the internal switch of the socket was changed to a turn switch, but the brass socket was original and still had its original patina. To find an original, $15 push/shuttle switch with red/black ends is easy.
At least no idiot polished the original socket. The cord was switched and incorrect, but at least the brass cone was not tampered with. A correct cloth wrapped cord is also another $20 easy fix. The shell body was in a heavily rusted condition with pits and no paper tag was on the bottom of the lamp. There was no mention of the rubber table protective ring. However, this lamp still had its original patina and best its original helmet. :clap: :clap: Documentation of the helmet is worth this post. The bottom base tray had no dents and I could not tell if it was tarnished brass or olive drab paint?
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Here are some pictures from the auction. They are dark and this fact made it difficult to judge on just how deep the rust covered the shell. Its
sections were never taken apart. They are rusted together. Although a military collector, the owner did not know the lamp's history & significance-
he considered it just common tench art. He did not identify it as a poorly preserved specimen of an Uncle Ed lamp and that it unscrewed into different body components. Best was it was in as found condition. Well worth $200. The original helmet was present and similar to the IMA specimen. So there
are now two documented Uncle Ed original Helmets with the clip on inside attachment. Notice the burned, green paint on a steel helmet from the light bulb over time. The open areas rusted indicating a steel helmet. It is not a brass helmet like the IMA example. However, both have the heavy white enamel paint on the inside as a reflector and the same short clip on attachment.
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More Uncle Ed tall boy photos:
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More Uncle Ed tall boy photos:
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I was going to correct the switch and cord and work on the shell body to get the sections to turn/twist and disconnect. The helmet was going to be left in as found condition. But, it was not to be. :violin: :violin:
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Also of late I have seen just the shell body, most likely the best parts: the cone cap and base, were stripped of for use on another lamp. This was on auction for $75. I would like to have a shell actually recovered by a metal detector find or dug relic from the ground at the site, not one from a lamp. :clap: sources of photo is auction.
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It must be a sign of the times, another Morgan Explosion VICTORY ashtray just was posted on flee bay 29 April.
:dance: :clap:
Looks in pretty good shape! That makes 3 for this year coming out of the wood work since Jan.
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Someone got a deal :clap: :dance: 47 is a steal!
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The start of new data, these pictures enlarge.

Recently a Victory Lamp showed up on eBay. A normal condition lamp with a replacement helmet, incorrect socket, incorrect cord, and an incorrect harp and attachment final for the helmet. All new junk modern parts. The helmet was real, but drilled. Stuff you see on most Victory lamps that are poorly restored by amateurs. However, the great item was the original booklet and inspection sheet from 1919. Paper items are very difficult to find--most likely a $200 item and a $150-200 lamp that sold in one day at the "Buy it now" price to someone that had deep pockets and most likely wanted the booklet.
The lamp had promise to be redone/rebuilt period correct with correct original parts at maybe another $100 in original parts. This lamp has an original paint and patina to the shell. The brass shell parts have not been cleaned. Unfortunately the socket was messed with. Could you just imagine how neat it would have been if left in its original condition!
This is the first time I have seen the booklet.
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The booklet 1919 and packing slip for an original lamp. There is only one sheet of paper stapled into the pamphlet- making 4 pages. I do not have a photo of the first page. WHAT A TREASURE!
The start of new data & pics do enlarge.
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The original helmet on the wrong harp with incorrect modern cheep final.
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Two more poorly restored Victory lamps. The JOKERS. $600 for a set???
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More spray paint... and modern parts....

The auction is a true contradiction in terms:
I HAVE RESTORED THESE WITH PERIOD-TYPE CORDS, PLUGS, BANJOS, AND SOCKETS. ONE LAMP SHADE IS GENUINE WW1 US, AND THE OTHER IS UK. BOTH HAVE BEEN PAINTED WHITE INSIDE TO AID IN REFLECTION OF LIGHT. THE BODIES WERE STRIPPED AND REPAINTED GLOSS BLACK. THE BRASS AND COPPER WERE SHINED TO A HIGH GLOSS AND SPRAYED WITH A CLEAR LAQUER TO PRESERVE THE SHINE.
:doh: :doh: :snooty:

In my mind the $875 lamp shown above is a better deal, it can be actually put back into an original state.


One more time, if you find an intact lamp please consider,
If the essential original character of a historical item is altered, or more than 50 percent of the finish or original parts have been changed to altered the original surface patina or non original, contemporary replacement parts has been utilized in the restoration, the item is no longer considered an antique. Its value is drastically lowered. It's an amateur muddle job, not a restoration. A large portion of the value of an old piece or historical military antique is determined first by scarcity, then second, it's patina and original nature. Patina is the aged surface finish caused by the the changes that occur in the aging/handling process. If you alter the original aged finish or do not restore with original, period correct parts, you destroy both the charm and value of the historical object. In some instances the remuddle is so bad the item is worthless even for its parts value.

For documentation purpose, this is the best preserved Victory lamp I have seen-- all original except an early replacement cord
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this is the Goodwill lamp discussed on the lower portion of page 8.
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Lesson learned- poorly muddled restoration= loss of value

Owner could not even get the value of a raw shell and individual parts. Even the helmet value was degraded due to drilling & repaint.
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