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Battle of Midway movie

#1 Post by Hippycrowe » Sat Jun 29, 2019 10:04 am

https://youtu.be/dd8OsSdXEGc

I can't wait to see this movie it looks good

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Re: Battle of Midway movie

#2 Post by 72 usmc » Sat Jun 29, 2019 10:48 am

NOV 8 is a long wait, might be worth seeing at a theater. Last movie I actually paid at a movie house for was Saving Private Ryan :roll: :roll:
I wonder if it is still $2.75 to see a movie :lol: :lol: :roll:

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#3 Post by Hippycrowe » Sat Jun 29, 2019 12:10 pm

At about 500 percent to that lol

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#4 Post by luigi » Sat Jun 29, 2019 4:49 pm

72USMC

You cannot get anything at a walk in for $2.75 !!

I remember movie ticket for $ 0.35 in the '50's

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#5 Post by 72 usmc » Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:35 pm

In 1998 when Ryan came out prices were around $4-4.50 per person, but early Sunday afternoon movies were were cheeper at approximately $3. Now kids are paying upwards of $12-15 for a movie. I do not understand how a high school kid & date can go to a movie, pay for gas, get some eats or go out to diner at todays prices. Maybe Midway might be one to see with the big screens and sound.

On the other hand, the neighbor has a huge TV and surround sound speakers in a basement TV room. It's like a small shoe box theater that he uses for football games. It"s nuts, the screen takes up half the wall, I have to take my hearing aids out it's so loud. He is a sports nut, who in their right mind would buy a $15,000 TV. I think it is about 8 feet long. :shhh: :shock:
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#6 Post by SWIHARTMARK » Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:55 pm

We have a local chain of cinemas that show movies for around $2-$3 with matinees on Tuesday that are even cheaper. These movies have been at the first run place and are about to be pulled entirely from theaters. I imagine Midway will venture its way to one of these faster than normal. They make their money off the food.

I wonder if the film will have a shot of John Ford shooting the acton from Midway island itself? Perhaps a scene of the Japanese naval staff gaming the invasion? That would be priceless.

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BTW, I doubt they will have the same sound system as the one with Fonda and Heston. Two stories of speakers in one of those bigger theaters so you can FEEL the film. I saw the old film that way. Nothings beats a dive bombing you can feel in your seat. Ummh, something akin to recent film Dunkirk I think.

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Re: Battle of Midway movie

#7 Post by Hippycrowe » Sun Jun 30, 2019 12:03 pm

I think the early bird special is about 5 bucks before 5 pm around here. I know Disney is forcing more money out of Theaters like Disney needs more noney😠

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#8 Post by ammolab » Sun Jun 30, 2019 3:30 pm

I suspect the “effect” for every HE aircraft bomb will be the usual 100 gallons of gasoline....typical these days.

Watch films made by/for WW2 vets in the late 40s and 1950s. Bombs and Arty effects look a lot more like...WAR.

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#9 Post by Tommy Atkins » Sun Jun 30, 2019 3:47 pm

Not even Gasoline & soap-flakes any more its all CGI now.
I'm hoping it will be better than "Pearl Harbor" was though.
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#10 Post by HectorFuego » Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:21 pm

I hope it's done well. The U.S. Navy pretty much crushed the Japanese to gain control of the Pacific. Big turning point in the war.

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Re: Battle of Midway movie

#11 Post by Hippycrowe » Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:41 pm

Ya Pearl Harbor was a chick flik in my book

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#12 Post by SWIHARTMARK » Sun Jun 30, 2019 8:47 pm

After the battle of Midway, the Japanese were still a very potent fighting force. They were no longer overwhelming in carrier power, just merely had an advantage in carriers afterwards. Once they were within their land based air cover, few American task forces would venture into them until new American CVs were launched. US surface ships took well into late 1942 to use radar well enough to gain a significant advantage from it as well. This is all well documented from the battles in and around Guadalcanal. The Americans were down to their last CV, the Enterprise at one point in later 1942. The Japanese were by no means crushed after Midway, just knocked down to size. It was a tremendous victory since we had nothing but defeat after defeat following Pearl Harbor. While the battle of the Coral Sea was a strategic victory for the Americans before Midway, they still lost a CV and only sunk a CVL in response, and a small one at that. If that had continued, attrition would have favored the Japanese overwhelmingly without the battle of Midway and sure enough it generally did despite losing those four CVs at Midway. The CV's Wasp and Hornet were sunk in battles near Guadalcanal months after Midway. The Enterprise was put out of action as well at times. The Saratoga was having torpedo damage repaired as well.

I did manage to see the trailer and found the CGI to be a lot better than looking at modern carriers with empty decks filling in for the real thing. It was good to see the list of a Japanese carrier avoiding "ordinance" instead of some stock war footage, a staged bridge scene, or a mockup of the deck of a Japanese battleship. I thought I did see John Ford shooting his film at Midway as well, not bad at all.

Richard B. Frank's "Guadalcanal" and John Prados "Islands of Destiny" and "Combined Fleet Decoded" give far more detail than I can cover here. "Combined Fleet Decoded" will give you an insight on decryption capabilities of the US as you have never read before and basically rewrite quite a bit of the war from the inside out. Ken Kotani's "Japanese Intelligence In World War II" is likewise a decently researched book using many Japanese sources on their decryption capabilities and intel collecting. Put it this way, McArthur was reading Japanese radio traffic on a daily basis and moved his troops accordingly. It doesn't take a genius to look good doing that. Frank's book mentions a bit of thatl. Two code breakers were sent with the US Fleet to the battle of the Coral Sea as they knew about movements of the Japanese fleet at that time as well. The loser had to go with the admiral that didn't believe a single thing they said.

If you really like reading about naval battles, Richard B. Frank's account of the air, sea, and land campaign at Guadalcanal is superb. Midway is heavily covered, but the naval battles off "The Canal" are just as epic. In the end, it was the constant attrition of the Japanese losing destroyers and freighters that gradually whittled them to the bone. They simply could not supply their forces without them. They were generally short of freighters to even haul commercial supplies like oil, let alone military transport for hauling troops and their supplies into combat zones. A freighter lost in combat meant one less freighter keeping the Japanese economy going. It all started to become apparent during those battles.

Back to reading Atkinson's trilogy on the Western Front in WWII. He has some good details on US logistics in his third installment. Things make far more sense when logistics are thrown in and described in detail. Hollywood simply does not have the time for details unfortunately.

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BTW, Pearl Harbor was a bad click flick. Would you show that in a high school history class? I've seen it happen.

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#13 Post by Hippycrowe » Mon Jul 01, 2019 3:04 am

The US Navy asked the British if they could borrow a Carrier of course the British said no even though we sent battleships to them to counter the Tirpitz.

The SBD sure did a good job sinking the Japanese carriers they should have had armored decks like the British.

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#14 Post by SWIHARTMARK » Mon Jul 01, 2019 6:47 am

I do believe a British carrier served with the USN in the Pacific and they responded to our request. What history did you read? I can look up the carrier if you wish, I remember seeing pictures of it and first hand accounts of USN personal on board. They raved about the ice cream or the alcohol, or perhaps both.

Armored flight decks restricted how many aircraft you could carry, so that wasn't as good as it looks, especially if you have to bring all your aircraft with you to take real estate. British carriers carried far fewer aircraft than our CVs. The loan sure helped out in a pinch though. Once the Essex class CVs and all the CVLs and CVEs came online the advantage shifted to the Americans.

The SBDs took out the carriers as the slower moving torpedo bombers were slaughtered at lower levels taking the Japanese Carrier Air Patrol CAP with them so the dive bombers got through unmolested. Had we had better torpedo bombers, perhaps we could have scored some torpedo hits as well. The Devastator torpedo bomber was obsolete as it was. The land based strike force was also ineffective against the IJN for similar reasons. A coordinated strike was difficult to deliver at that time. The SBDs were lucky as they had no escort from what I remember reading.

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Re: Battle of Midway movie

#15 Post by Tommy Atkins » Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:02 am

There was a heavy Brit carrier presence, Aus & all that stuff, yaknow!
https://www.historyonthenet.com/british-pacific-fleet

Fleet carriers

Formidable: approximate airgroup 36 Corsairs, 15 Avengers (Flagship 1st Aircraft Carrier Squadron)
Illustrious: approximate airgroup 36 Corsairs, 15 Avengers
Implacable: 48 Seafire, 21 Avenger, 12 Firefly
Indefatigable: 40 Seafire, 18 Avenger, 12 Firefly
Indomitable: 39 Hellcats, 21 Avengers
Victorious: 36 Corsairs, 15 Avengers, plus Walrus amphibian

Light carriers

Colossus: 24 Corsairs, 18 Barracudas
Glory: 21 Corsairs, 18 Barracudas
Venerable: 21 Corsairs, 18 Barracudas
Vengeance: 24 Corsairs, 18 Barracudas

Maintenance carriers

Pioneer
Unicorn

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