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Legends Thompson M1A1 BB gun

#1 Post by 72 usmc » Tue Dec 31, 2019 12:34 pm

New for 2020, a LEGENDS Umarex Thompson M1A1 full auto BB gun :D
A 30 round stick magazine houses two 12 gram CO2 cartridges that provide enough power to sling steel BBs at up to 435 fps, as well as give an enjoyable recoil impulse thanks to the blowback action. The rifle can be operated in semi-auto or full-auto, sending a full magazine of BBs downrange in a matter of a few seconds.
Well known for producing some of the most enjoyable replica airguns on the market, Umarex brings yet another historically significant firearm to life in airgun form! Era correct faux wood furniture, sights, and sling mounts make the M1A1 a replica that even the most avid collectors will be impressed by!
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https://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Legends_ ... B_Gun/5125

For a write up see,
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For starters, the M1A1 Thompson replica looks perfect dimensionally; the safety, selector, and magazine release controls function. It’s realistically finished with the metal parts wearing what looks like a military grey Parkerizing and great looking walnut stocks. I was told the stocks were actually plastic; if this be the case, Umarex is using the most realistic looking plastic wood I’ve ever seen.

The M1A1 is made of zinc castings. It has some substantial heft, if not quite all of the genuine article’s 10 pounds. The 30-round stick magazine actually holds 30 .177 BBs and a pair of 12-ounce, non-threaded, CO2 canisters
Umarex Legends M1A1: The Full-Auto CO2 Replica Is as Fun as Expected
\ By FRANK JARDIM :
https://www.tactical-life.com/firearms/ ... full-auto/
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Re: Thompson M1A1 BB gun

#2 Post by 72 usmc » Tue Dec 31, 2019 12:47 pm

Here is a Video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y42FNn14zSI

Both semi & full auto function:
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Re: Thompson M1A1 BB gun

#3 Post by SWIHARTMARK » Wed Jan 01, 2020 11:56 am

Ummh, I tend to like this thing. Interesting, very interesting........ How long do the CO2 cartridges last?

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Re: Thompson M1A1 BB gun

#4 Post by 72 usmc » Wed Jan 01, 2020 2:18 pm

THE TOP 5 WW II AIR GUN REPLICAS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont ... e=emb_logo

THE TOP 5 FULL AUTO AIR GUNS #1 =MP 40
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMXIwkU1bWM

If you got 2 CO2 cartridges depending on the temperature, figure 160-200 BBs per 2 containers with an MP 40. It should be similar with the M1A1. So you buy the CO2 containers by a box of 40- on full auto it will eat & spit out CO2 cartridges. see the many reviews and magazine concerns that the MP 40 experienced. Most concerns are fixed with umarex CO2 cartridges, proper steel BBs at a correct amount in the magazine, and a penny or dime placed between the CO2 cartridges to ensure both puncture. See the many reviews about a similar Machine gun the Umarex MP 40:
https://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Umarex_L ... e_Gun/4312

Also the Springfield M1 carbine is a bad news bear- the magazines are faulty rendering the rifle a dog.
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Re: Thompson M1A1 BB gun

#5 Post by 72 usmc » Thu Jan 02, 2020 2:37 pm

Update the M1A1 will have 30 round magazine capacity. The Mp 40 had 60, but it always jamed and it was best to fire the 60 round magazines with 40 -45 BBs so the gun functioned. Later, the improved magazine was reduced to a 52 round capacity with most saying load only 40 bbs to avoid jams in the MP 40.

So maybe the new magazines in the M1A1 Thompson have the bugs worked out. I suspect one will get approximately 4 magazines out of 2 CO2 cartridges at full auto and maybe one more at semi fire with a drastic drop in velocity near the end of the cartridges. :shhh: But those first four mags should be a hoot to shoot!
Write up here:

https://hardairmagazine.com/news/umarex ... e-in-2020/

https://hardairmagazine.com/news/exclus ... tommy-gun/
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Re: Thompson M1A1 BB gun

#6 Post by 72 usmc » Fri Jan 03, 2020 12:41 pm

Here is a new video that shows the fake wood, seems nice like the Umarex Winchester' wood, ( viewtopic.php?f=52&t=3504 ) and it's a single stack magazine of 30 BBs so no jams like the off set, staggered, 60 BBs in the MP 40 early model machine gun. No early problems with the Thompson magazine like seen in the Springfield M1 carbine disaster- $200 for garbage. The mags were bad on the first load. They also redesigned the MP 40 mags on later models down to 52 rounds. This M1A1 Thompson sounds like a winner! Spare Thompson mags will set you back $50 a pop, more than an original mag :doh: But the same price as the MP 40 mags. :lol:

https://www.ballisticmag.com/2019/11/21 ... -m1a1-co2/

Get one of these Kerr reproduction slings from " At the front" and what a nice package:
https://www.atthefront.com/WWII-Thompso ... swthps.htm

Add a 5 pocket Thompson pouch, although the BB mags may be too long to fit the original specification pouch ????? Will have to check this out> originals are approximately 6 1/2 inches long.
https://www.atthefront.com/product-p/usgathom.htm


White markings generally found on the BB guns are held to a small size and very few are present on this thompson:
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And like all Umarex BB replicas, they NEVER reproduce original stamped markings. Some Japanese makers do as molded into the metal "replica" markings on some air soft guns. Too bad something like this was not added:
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Re: Thompson M1A1 BB gun

#7 Post by 72 usmc » Fri Jan 03, 2020 3:45 pm

Now does an original wood stock fit the BB gun ???


If one wants to preorder my favorite place to spend cash is PYRAMYDAIR Air with great warranty and customer service. $225 not bad. :dance: :clap:
https://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Legends_ ... B_Gun/5125
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Re: Legends Thompson M1A1 BB gun

#8 Post by 72 usmc » Thu Apr 09, 2020 8:31 pm

Two excellent reviews with honest comments and photos (not Peddler Adler's Pyramid b.s. reviews) :
Written
https://hardairmagazine.com/reviews/exc ... on-bb-gun/
Video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6998sI04hNo

A better magazine that actually functions. However, the plastic hollow stock is a real let down. A plus is the applications of very few white markings.
I got to see one in person, the stock on the Umarex Winchester, cowboy lever action rifle is plastic and is toy like, and really cheep looking. It appears to be the same manufacturing process to make imitation wood?

Be sure to lube with RWS brand chamber lube, to maintain the 90 day warranty. No Pellgun oil. Umarex uses its use,( Pelgun oil) to void their warranty. And 90 days does not say much for confidence in their Tiawan products. :doh: Both Replica arms, Airgun Depot, and Pyramyd Air have great comments about this model's performance in their posted reviews. Pyramyd Air has the best service if you need to return an airgun. Best by any standards- even with the problem plagued M1 Carbine BB rifle. All are good at shipping one out. The M1A1 does not have the bugs like the MP 40 magazine has or the basically non functioning Springfield M1 BB carbine.

There is no talk on how to fill the void in the stock and make it aged or appear like real wood. Spare mags are $50 each and the M1A1 is $225 with free shipping. I am not sure if they now charge tax? No mention if real wood from a WW II model would fit the BB gun. Even cheep Chinese wood would be better than imitation plastic wood- and hollow to boot :snooty: :snooty:

There is an airsoft model replacement set $120. BUT does it fit?
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:idea: :idea: Lets see $225 M1A1+ $120 stock set+ $100 2 spare mags = $446 for a BB gun :violin: :snooty: :think:
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Re: Legends Thompson M1A1 BB gun

#9 Post by 72 usmc » Fri Apr 10, 2020 11:28 am

It appears this is made for the We tech gun also made in Tiawan. The hole appear to be in the same locations. But we need a sucker with lots of cash to purchase both the gun and the wood stock kit to see if it interchanges :dance: :dance: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Some more pictures. Do a search on BLACK OWL WOOD CONVERSION KIT FOR THOMPSON M1A1 airsoft We gun. Prices seem to vary with company.
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Re: Legends Thompson M1A1 BB gun

#10 Post by 72 usmc » Fri Apr 10, 2020 11:34 am

Links
https://www.airsoftglobal.com/shop/inde ... s_id=27345
https://www.evike.com/products/86885/
https://airsoft.tiger111hk.com/p38211/B ... _info.html
https://www.crownairsoft.com/products/b ... t-for-m1a1


The real wood beech parts shown closer:
source https://www.kyairsoft.com/parts/we-smg- ... -m1a1.html
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This stock kit fits this airsoft version of the M1A1: https://www.evike.com/products/78923/
The question is does this Black owl replacement kit for the We-Tech M1A1 Airsoft rifle, fit the KWC,( Kien Well Toy Company) Umarex M1A1 rifle? Are the bodies the same??
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Re: Legends Thompson M1A1 BB gun

#11 Post by 72 usmc » Sat Apr 11, 2020 9:44 am

Not sure when this was in production? A Japanese made replica. MCG Japan.This will make the Umarex look better price wise at $895 :lol: :lol: :doh: :doh:

Interesting aspects of the Japanese replicas . The Japan Model Gun Collection Association (later MGC) in the 1970 to mid-80s, exported many modelguns (mostly from MGC) were sold under RMI brand by Replica Models, Inc. (which later transformed to Collector's Armoury, Ltd.).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modelguns
https://www.ima-usa.com/collections/new ... gun-in-box
Or for those that like cap firing replicas dating from the 1980s? but at a steep price there is this fine collectable:
Item Description
Original Replica Item: Only One Available. This is a great U.S. M-1928A1 "Cap Piston" replica gun, made by the well-known Model Gun Corporation of Japan. This particular model is the M-1921 TAAC, which came in the "gangster" and "military configuration. This is the military configured version, with the short 20 round size magazine and horizontal foregrip. We have attached one of our reproduction Kerr slings to complete the look.
These work with replica "cartridges", which have small caps "plugged" into the front of them, which then is detonated by the replica bolt. These would then be ejected like a real spent cartridge, and could be reloaded with additional caps.
This example comes complete with magazine in the original box! There is also some paperwork included regarding the M-1921, which includes a parts diagram. The replica guns good, and will dry fire. We have not however tested it for functionality with caps, and cannot guarantee it would work.
All purchases are sent adult signature required UPS. Priority Mail is not available for this item. You must be 18 years old to purchase this model and 21 to sign for the package.
Not available for export or shipment to certain U.S. locations. Cap fire ONLY. Cannot be converted to a functional weapon. Please read legal information
source IMA
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Re: Legends Thompson M1A1 BB gun

#12 Post by 72 usmc » Sat Apr 11, 2020 10:08 am

Replica reviews 2020 under toys :
https://afiavillage.com/submachine-gun-replica/
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#13 Post by 72 usmc » Sat Apr 11, 2020 10:17 am

Then there are the DENIX Non firing Replicas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdPSTWgaPiA
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https://www.denix.es/en/catalogue/world ... -gun/1092/


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https://www.denix.es/en/catalogue/world ... -gun/1093/

The price ($204-219) makes the LEGENDS Umarex M1A1 Thompson ($224) seem inexpensive & in the ball park (JUST THAT KWC UMAREX HAS THE STUPID PLASTIC STOCK):
https://replicaweaponry.com/denix-wwii- ... chine-gun/
Denix Thompson:
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Again it is really dumb that the Legends series made by KWC in Taiwan does not use a wood stock. They, KWC, seem to be too cheep or ignorant to produce a decent BB gun. Their two major problems are defective mags with cheep O rings that rot away if oil is used or just from wear if not lubricated, some just fall out, bad or weak springs, and plastic internals that crack rendering the pricy magazine/toy gun useless, their second problem is the use of plastic grips or stocks when wood should be used. Why do they produce such cheep Chinese junk? Top end BB guns at top buck with a 90 day warranty? Not much faith in their products.

Unfortunately the Japanese firms do not produce BB or pellet guns- just decent non firing replicas or airsoft toys. Of course,Cheep Taiwan O rings can be replaced with better quality o rings, but the imitation wood PLASTIC grips & stocks are difficult to get a wood replacement because they are unique to each model and not identical to originals. On most of the thousands of reviews- everyone calls for a wood grips or stocks and it falls on deaf KWC ears!
Japan should begin to make replica BB & pellet guns for export and would destroy KWC as a company in a year or two. Or KWC would begin producing a a quality product. Or a new company starts manufacturing wood grips & stocks specially fitted, inletted, & designed for the most popular and reliable BB & pellet gun models made by the different companies.

The Umarex Thompson M1A1 magazine has metal components and utilizes a proven single line/stack of BBs not a staggered arrangement that jams. I hope its O ring seals do not fall out like the Springfield M1 carbine's defective magazine. At least the Thompson magazine is a proven design. Next is the bolt and its possible effects of wear caused by such rapid firing, faster than the MP 40. Will the alloy metal hold up under heavy auto firing and long term use after say a year? Will the bolt jam ? Will seals wear out? Only time will tell. I have not seen lub or disassembly instructions on line for the new Umarex model M1A1 Thompson. Almost all review videos avoid fix it, disassembly, O ring replacement, stock modification/switching, aging the finish pointers, or proper maintenance instructions to maintain long life. Of course any modifications or disassembly voids the warranty. Heck, you do not even see the Umarex recommendation not to use Pell oil, but rather RWS lub on Umarex guns due to the garbage O rings if you do not want them to weasel-out of their very short 90 day warranty period. Use this;
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I always thought Pellgun oil was good for Co2 airguns, but some say the use of 100% synthetic silicon based oil :think: :think: and grease is best. At least no one has suggested RWS oil is bad??????
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Re: Legends Thompson M1A1 BB gun

#14 Post by 72 usmc » Sat Apr 11, 2020 1:40 pm

RWS Chamber Lube with Needle .
A must for proper airgun maintenance, RWS Chamber Lube is a high-quality silicone oil recommended by Umarex USA gunsmiths and is specially formulated for use in keeping your airgun power-plant operating smoothly for the long haul.
From the Umarex factory web page:
How do I keep my CO2 air gun functioning like new?

You can extend the life of the valve/seal assemblies by applying a drop of RWS Chamber Lube to the tip of each CO2 cylinder prior to installing. Also, use high quality pellets that are very clean and that don't cause your pellet gun to jam. We recommend RWS Airgun Pellets.
Interesting I found this information>

Airgun lubes – the good, the bad and the ugly
Posted on March 21, 2005 by B.B. Pelletier
https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2005/03 ... -the-ugly/
Some talk about airgun lubrication: Part 1
https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2016/10 ... on-part-1/

Airgun depot: Maintaining your CO2 and PCP airgun
https://www.airgundepot.com/vault/artic ... cp-airgun/

Topic: Pellgun Oil, is it safe?
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/in ... c=122383.0
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Re: Legends Thompson M1A1 BB gun

#15 Post by 72 usmc » Sat Apr 18, 2020 7:58 pm

Does the Black Owl Wood stock Conversion kit for the M1A1 We-Tech airsoft Thompson fit the Umarex M1A1? Does the same company produce both models? They look the same.
Jovani from USA:
All Except The Hand Guard, The Screw Is In A Different Position. You Need To Modify It. But Overall They Are Both The Same Size.
The Black Owl Wood conversion kit fits the Umarex Thompson except for the hand grip where the screw is in a different spot. The Black Owl screw hole is about center of the hand grind is positioned between the sling loop and end of the wood( see arrow). One has to re-dill a new hole and plug the other. I am not sure if a new hole can be drilled into the Unerax Frame utilizing the Black owls' original wood hand grip's hole. CAUTION Better to modify the Black Owl wood grip by drilling a new hole in order to make the original Umarex hand grip screw act as the hold down screw for the hand guard.
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Views of the Umerax Thompson hand grip and screw position- set a little more to the rear of the grip.
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