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Re: Gun Shows: When Did Our World Go Nuts?

Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2018 10:24 am
by HectorFuego
Back in about 2005 AIM Surplus was selling Swiss K-31's for $59.95 delivered to your door. I had just gotten my C&R license and bought one. I put a clamp on scope mount on it and an old 10X scope and shot the best group of my life. At today's prices for K-31's, I kick myself for not buying at least 10 at that price. Could have made a small fortune.

Ah the good old days.

Hector

Re: Gun Shows: When Did Our World Go Nuts?

Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2018 7:06 pm
by viking
Saw a sporter for 220 at last gun show i went to.

Re: Gun Shows: When Did Our World Go Nuts?

Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2018 9:57 pm
by bobvz
The issue as I see it is that there are a number of young folks who are making big 6 figure salaries and a large number of older highly paid execs that are retiring. Some of these folks are being enthralled with milsurps. In no small part due to sites like this that promote shooting and collecting. Spending 4 figures on a rifle is no big deal for them. In one sense it is good that younger collectors are coming into the fold. In another it is jacking prices out of sight. Many of us are retired or near it. We know that the importers paid less than $20 ea. for most of these rifles and we are on fixed incomes. It is maddening that prices are where they are at. In retrospect, if I had taken my 401K in 1990 and bought milsurps I would be living on a private island in the Caribbean now.

Re: Gun Shows: When Did Our World Go Nuts?

Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 9:20 am
by Dannyboy53
Guns shows used to be great fun and had good bargains...not anymore. We quit going to several shows in our AO because they just got stupid with the prices. Actually, we are the reason for it...we pay the inflated prices they demand. I go to one of the local ones to get specific items such as parts, accessories or ammo and nothing else. I have bought Garands for a little less than a C note and an '03-A3 for $120 in years past but those days are long gone!

Re: Gun Shows: When Did Our World Go Nuts?

Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 9:37 am
by indy1919a4
Dannyboy53, as one moving to Fl, what gun shows are you talking about.. which is better & worst.?????

I am assuming you are wanting your gun shows to have older stuff??? I am not super interested in newer guns and the like..

Have been to the Central Florida gun show a few times..Mostly new guns, a few old..
Have been a few of the Lakeland shows,, Nothing but old, some high prices, but some deals

Re: Gun Shows: When Did Our World Go Nuts?

Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 2:03 pm
by 72 usmc
I thought the same thing-mostly poor examples at crazy high prices for common surplus junk, but, and this is a big but, every once in a while you hit the jack pot. This is because it's an estate collection of a former member that died and a family member or fellow friend/club member is selling off the old 1950s collection. I went to this show that I never see anything at fair value or of any interest. Well, I walked in and almost fell over. At the first row there was a table. The entire rack was filled with $300 or $500 surplus rifles- those goofy 8x50 R manlichers, Hamburg 1917 mannicher and two other odd-ball mannlichers with wood covering the lower magazine -some Dutch junk, Mausers mostly at $500, a bring back DOT with a mismatched bolt, a King Leapold Belgium 1935 short rifle in some odd caliber 7.65???. Other mausers I did not look at due to odd calibers- Argentine and ??. Two French rifles-- a 5 shot Berthier and a Berthier carbine in Mas 7.5. Two Mosins, the one I liked was a WZ 48 Polish trainer, 3-4 arisakas and the 1924 Yugo mausers, then the normal US carbines at $700. The cool thing was none of the rifles had import marks, All but two had original stocks with untouched finish. All rifles matched, except the K98 that matched itself, but the bolt was a different # and some had slings. So this old guy died that had all pre 1968 rifles in damn near excellent bring back condition. I grabbed the Long rifle Berthier model 07/15, and the 1892 carbine converted to model 07/15/34 in Mas 7.5 and the Polish moist trainer WZ 48. I had to borrow cash from a friend at the show. All were $300 each for rifles all matching in original unrefinished stocks, no import marks- yep even the trainer had no import mark and had slings. I was way out of any money, and would have liked the 1924 Yugo and K98 mausers- neither had slings , but still all matching. I had no way to get any more cash, so I did not go back on Sunday too see what was left. So instead of getting rid of stuff due to may own health concerns; the firearms at this show were just too nice of specimens to pass up on. It has been almost 9 years since I every found anything of interest at that show, but I would go to shoot the bull with friends. So you never know when lady luck is going to smack you in the face at a gun show.

What was absent from the rack was any Enfields,black powder or US o3s or 1917s and M1s. A few 1870s German long rifles. Heck, on the German rifles even the screws and cleaning rods had matching numbers. I passed on a $500, 1907, matching Gew 98. Just too many rifle, and no more money. No bayonets or ammo for them??? The guy was into odd ball foreign stuff. And what he had was quality, matching stuff, with pristine bores and intact stocks, most with correct slings. Mostly purchased in the 1950-1960s.

Odd, there were not many lookers at the old surplus stuff. French firearms are always had to find at WI shows. I have not seen a Polish Trainer .22 Mosin in some 5 years back when they were $200. I might have over paid, but I liked that it was nice and no import marks. That French carbine was the first 07/15/34 I have seen in about 15 years at a WI show.

Re: Gun Shows: When Did Our World Go Nuts?

Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 2:54 pm
by indy1919a4
you know 72usmc, Perseverance is many times 9/10s of collecting.. And Each show is different and a "bad" Show can easily change by someone walking in with a cool item that you want. :)

I find one of the Weird things of gun shows is you may attend shows you never see a type of gun.. then boom next show there are 10 .. Like wise you you notice where have all there x's gone there use to be dozens..

Hey if you do not suit up and play you definitely will not win

Re: Gun Shows: When Did Our World Go Nuts?

Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:04 am
by Rex_in_OTZ
Gun shows are a great source for metric military ammunition and possibly stuff like gun rugs and slings, holsters.
Actual firearms?
Even in Northern Kansas the pricese are insane!

To hold a gunshow in the midwest and they know its mostly attended by middle class folks with bills, motgages anf families that just dont have $400-$500 to throw down on a firearm.
And you have table after table of insanely overpriced table queens.
The last 4 gun shows Id attended, I can say I didnt see the fabled Mr Deep Pockets roll up to a table pull out a wad of cabbage big enough to choke a goat and buy one them table queens.

Re: Gun Shows: When Did Our World Go Nuts?

Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 7:50 pm
by SWIHARTMARK
Why pay to shop at a gun show anymore? No deals really. It is just best to buy online between Thanksgiving and Christmas when prices are low in general. Do some research on prices before hand, save a wad and see what you can do during the buyers season I just mentioned. Also, trading is likely a good idea instead of selling if you don't have to. The market will always see what price it can get, but there are limits to any market. I think estate sales might be another avenue since I would guess that's where dealers are getting their stock. That option will just require more time to look than a gun show. You could pick up some other stuff there though.

Best Regards,

Mark

Re: Gun Shows: When Did Our World Go Nuts?

Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2019 1:22 pm
by CGSteve
I think prices are better in AZ but selection is very limited when it concerns milsurps. I think people in AZ are only into tactical or at least more "modern" semi autos. Nothing wrong with that of course because I have my fair share of AKs, FALs, etc. but I am almost certain not to find any unique milsurps in Tucson.

The big Crossroads Show in Phoenix is better and the only show even worth going to just to have a look at things.

Re: Gun Shows: When Did Our World Go Nuts?

Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 8:59 pm
by shoggoth80
I haven't had much luck with the two gun shows I have been to in the last couple years. One I got a good deal on once fired brass from, and the other I got a little .45 Philly Derringer from for $100. Other than that? Nada. There were a few desirable items, but the prices were higher than I felt was fair. It's gotten wacky out there. Most anything good has oddly enough come from a couple shops that I like to go to. Even that has been on hiatus for a year and a half at this point.

Re: Gun Shows: When Did Our World Go Nuts?

Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2019 6:54 pm
by BPSTEVE
I use to go to every show in my area, and on more then a few occasions traveled out of town. Now I go maybe 2 times year just to see what crazy prices are being asked. Dealers seem less friendly/knowledgeable, and unwilling to negotiate a reasonable price. While I have bought reloading equipment and got a few good deals on ammo I'd say I only bought 2 milsurp firearms in last 8 years or so at a show. I do much better at LGS and pawn shops. The pawn shops in my area seem much more easier to bargain with.I drop in to area shops a couple times a month. Most of the time come out empty handed, but on few occasions I walk out with a hell of a deal. Type I, Type 99,1909 Colt, 1917 S&W. LE No.4 mk2. just to name a few.

Re: Gun Shows: When Did Our World Go Nuts?

Posted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 6:20 pm
by JAG2955
Can we create an index based off the market price of a Mosin-Nagant, inflation, and the price dealers are asking for said Mosin at the gun show?

ie, this gun show was awful, it was a 2.3 on the M91 index.

Re: Gun Shows: When Did Our World Go Nuts?

Posted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 6:24 pm
by SWIHARTMARK
I think a 91/30 scale would be easier since there are more of them around. I would bet all the deals are on AR-15s now.

Best Regards,

Mark

Re: Gun Shows: When Did Our World Go Nuts?

Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:34 am
by boltactionbill
JAG2955 wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2019 6:20 pm
Can we create an index based off the market price of a Mosin-Nagant, inflation, and the price dealers are asking for said Mosin at the gun show?

ie, this gun show was awful, it was a 2.3 on the M91 index.
How about this one, last show I was at a seller had a prominently displayed 91 sniper. His signage claimed it was used at leningrad and he was asking $2400 for it. I was laughing so hard I had to sit down to catch my breath. Man that takes a brass pair to claim that with no way to positively prove it and charge like that. Indecently if it was it looked like it was dragged for miles afterwards.