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M95 Mauser in .308 value?..or M93?

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M95 Mauser in .308 value?..or M93?

#1 Post by 41magman » Sat Feb 23, 2019 12:15 pm

Cousin wants to buy Dads milsurp M95....or M93 in 7.62x51....want a fair price to not rip either one of us off!
There is NO crest on the receiver, metal & bore is GREAT, wood has a few dents BUT has fiddle streaks.
All numbers matching.
Its a carbine with 21" bbl.
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Re: M95 Mauser in .308 value?

#2 Post by 72 usmc » Sat Feb 23, 2019 7:57 pm

I would have to see the rifle and its markings and front sight, but if it looks like this example:
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Its a Spanish Mauser converted from 7mm to .308 Nato.
A Possible 1916 Spanish Mauser look at the front sight and band types you did not show any attributes in the photos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhgwMU73rmk
Buying a 1916 Spanish Mauser https://www.survivalistboards.com/showt ... p?t=626153

In my opinion I would want it original with a crest. And Spanish Mausers are low rung, and I an not even sure it's a conversion that is safe. I am not up on these- so take what I say with a grain of salt. So, I would value it as a parts rifle at approximately $100-150. It has an exceptional stock and the bolt is worth some cash. But then, I hate Spanish rifles. I would rather have a Chilean or Brazilian original German made ( better quality steel and machining), 1895 long rifle and those are around $300-400 in great condition. Its Chilean Nato conversion with an insert is junk. These I avoided. So check out the value of a Spanish 1916 Mauser in 7mm with crest and cut the value by 50% and ask if it is a safe conversion????? If you dislike the cousin, I would just give him the rifle and get rid of it. :doh: $100 would be fair, but get a signed statement indicating that he acknowledges its possible unsafe cheep quality steel so he does not take you to court if it blows.
http://dutchman.rebooty.com/1895Chile.html

That rifle also looks like a possible 1916 Spanish Mauser so see this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5zFEKrA7o8

If the person wants a milsurp .308 Nato rifle consider an Israeli K98k. A safe accurate rifle of quality.
I most likely will :shock: get remarks from the Spanish boys from this one!
To old to fight and to old to run, a Jar head will just shoot and be done with you.

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#3 Post by DaleH » Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:50 pm

FWIW the going price on 1916 Mausers in 308 on G-Broker is closer to $300. I have the HP White tests on one from Samco and they tested it w/ commercial 308, but I would limit it to 7.62 Nato loadings at most. Had great luck w/onew/ cast loads using the infamous “CE Harris” cast loads of either 16.0-grn 2400 load, or 10.0-grn Unique load, or the 13.0-grn Red Dot loading. Nickle sized groups at 50-yards!

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Re: M95 Mauser in .308 value?..or M93?

#4 Post by 72 usmc » Sat Feb 23, 2019 9:35 pm

Gunsmith specials J & G $129 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2ELh9VGGaI

Former SAMCO stock .308s in april: https://www.classicfirearms.com/m-1916- ... =1&slide=0

Samco price a few years ago these were the better ones like you have $170. This was around 2015/16, check its import mark. Is yours marked SAMCO?
Samco global has some Spanish 1916 Mausers that have been converted: re-barreled, and had the bolt turned down by the Spanish into .308 rifles. They are priced at $170. I don't own one, and was wondering what kind of collectors value these would have...I'm assuming not much value as a military rifle, correct? Or am I off on that assumption?
source:https://forums.gunboards.com/showthread ... ers-in-308

At WI gun shows they go around $200-250, but only sell if they are in better condition like you state yours is. The Classic like beaters (former SAMCO Pallet stock) one guy had a stack of repair specials at $125 per junker in rough condition at the last big show. Price is regional specific, barrel and stock condition, demand- Not Much, 7mm vs 308, matching, crest and sling , cleaning rod ??? Any gun show will be lower than gun broker. So lets say the value is at $150- 300 if its a nice one with that nice stock. Take it to a gun show and ask $ 300, I will bet it is offered to purchase at $150 or less because it's a Spanish Mauser- worse it's sterile. But, price always depends on your location, how many gun shows in the area, and how many are on the tables at the shows. I would think one with that nice stock, matching with cleaning rod, a crest and in 7mm would be sold around $300. Maybe, They would probably go down to $250. Sterile and .308 is a different animal. But then people are paying $350 for a stinking Russian Mosin 91/30. So who knows. I would still like to know if it is considered a safe conversion?

In Wi about 6 years ago when the 1895 Chilean Mausers were at Gander Mountain sporting stores, they got rid of the .308 conversions due to liability issues with the inserts. They stop selling them. But the matching, crested rifles, in 7mm were sold at $260 about 6 years ago. I am kind of a go original, kind of guy, so I would not buy most conversions or hunting sporters.

Split the price difference, at half price say $150 is fair: it's a 50% gain for the cousin and a 50% loss for the owner. That is if it is valued at $300 gun broker top end price. Heck, it's family. And you got the satisfaction it's still in the family, not sold to some dealer that wants to make 40 % on a rifle so they buy it dirt cheep. You want a joke, take it to a Cabelas store in your area and see what they offer for it. Most gun owners keep a book of recorded purchases and gun inventory serial numbers and price paid. If that is the case, it would be fair to Sell it for what your dad purchased it at. No loss, no gain. Sometimes the original box still has the price. Thats my 2 cents of info.

You got the cheep old man side, and the top buck price- a good average range. Finally, in the Standard Catalog of Military Firearms by Phillip Peterson,8th most current edition, that 1916 Spanish mauser lists on page 334 as M1916 short rifle in 7.62mm Exc.250, VG 200, Good 175, Fair 125. It has a note:
some experts consider these unsafe to fire with .308 Winchester or 7.62 NATO ammunition.
He indicates on the original 7mm rifles if the crest is removed, deduct 50%. I am not sure if all of the converted Spanish short rifles are sterile, or some have crests.
the end.. 8-)
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Re: M95 Mauser in .308 value?..or M93?

#5 Post by 41magman » Mon Mar 04, 2019 7:08 pm

UPDATE::
I found stamped under the barrel, towards the end it says

Oviedo Spain M1916
SAMCO MIA FL 308W

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Re: M95 Mauser in .308 value?..or M93?

#6 Post by 41magman » Sat Mar 09, 2019 11:38 am

DaleH wrote:
Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:50 pm
FWIW the going price on 1916 Mausers in 308 on G-Broker is closer to $300.
So I asked $350 and came down to $300 for the sale,,,,,,,,bundling with a M1 Garand leaving the farm.

Thanks for everyone's input!

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Re: M95 Mauser in .308 value?..or M93?

#7 Post by Rex_in_OTZ » Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:12 pm

If your uncomfortable down loading a 7.62x51 or a .308 Winchester.
Could the rifle be reamed out to what?
I thought about that for a while.
The .30 Remington is pretty much no.
.300 Savage would require setting the barrel back
If your messing with barrels then might as well go back with a 7x57 mauser.
I thought about reaming it out to tbe 7.65 Arg but the bore size is too small for that.
So what uses that bore size, is lobger cas but not as pressurized?
7.5 French?

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Re: M95 Mauser in .308 value?..or M93?

#8 Post by DB404 » Sun Aug 25, 2019 10:23 pm

The Spanish 1916 I have in 7.62 NATO has all matching numbers, and the bore is pristine. It has not been scrubbed and has a crest on the front receiver ring. The conversion from 7x57 to 7.62 NATO was nicely done. The usual warnings which always crop up whenever Spanish 1916s, especially those rebored and chambered from 7x57 for the 7.62 NATO are the topic of discussion, are likely well meant, although I’m not as certain that they’re founded on other than well intentioned Internet mythology. Consider that the original specs for the 7x57 cartridge, as developed by Mauser and as adopted by Spain with the 93 Mauser, called for operating pressures of a bit more than 50,000 CUP. That’s the pressure the cartridges that the Spanish infantry used against the US during the Spanish-American war developed. CIP (the European equivalent of our SAAMI) sets the top pressure for the 7x57 at somewhat over 56,000 psi; SAAMI sets it lower, at 51,000 psi (46,000CUP). Given that those model 93/1916 rifles were designed for and used with ammo developing over 50,000 CUP, I think worries about their strength are often over stated. Abused samples (poorly maintained, rusty, banged about) should be used cautiously, which is true of any firearm of like condition. IMO, sound examples in 7.62 NATO should be used with appropriate loads which don’t exceed 50,000 CUP; as with any old firearm, if you’re not sure of its quality or condition, have your gunsmith check it out and clean it for you before using it. And 7.62 NATO is not the same as the .308 Winchester, so do your homework before loading for them.

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