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1908 Bronze ashtray ID request

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1908 Bronze ashtray ID request

#1 Post by 72 usmc » Sat Dec 15, 2018 6:27 pm

I dug this up back in 1965-67 when in high school at a farm dump in Menomonee Falls, Wi. Back in the day we dug for old bottles (bitters, beer, poison) to sell to the antique dealer for cash. I got my first hot rod that way. I never could identify the organization. It is identified by a N on the left, a D on the right, and a slightly larger A at the bottom of the banners around the central portion of the crab. Can anyone identify this 1908 ashtray's logo or organization? Top has Instituted written as" INST 'D". It is bronze and measures approximately 22 cm long (8 1/2 inches) by 7 cm wide (2 3/4 inches).

The top under INST"D may have a Roman numeral VI which is six on the crest :doh:
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Left side a mermaid?
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Right side a crab
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The organizations crest/crab
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Re: 1908 Bronze ashtray ID request

#2 Post by vonalt » Sat Dec 15, 2018 6:54 pm

Your bronze ashtray is probably worth around $50 more or less. WI and MN were big into fraternal benefit societies back then such as the loyal order of foresters and Modern Woodmen of America, etc. Check around and see which ones had a organization start in 1876 and you could have an souvenir from a fraternal benefit society convention from 1908. Just my guess.

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Re: 1908 Bronze ashtray ID request

#3 Post by 72 usmc » Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:13 pm

still looking for more suggestions. No luck with NDA or a google picture search. Must be some society with the 100th anniversary doings that started in 1876. The nautical theme in WI is also odd. No mermaids or crabs like that in Lake Michigan or WI lakes. The farm was build 1880s and is still standing. House tore down, barn intact. A bronze Art Nouveau sort of ash tray. The National Dental Asso. was formed in 1901. Not Notre Dame Academy in GB is 1896, 1876 is too early. The sisters did not enter US till 1877. The mermaid in nude is not a Catholic thing :lol: :lol: :lol:
Too bad we didn't have sisters that dressed like that in grammar school, all in black with wood rulers. Our last sister was like in her late 90s at our old church/school. A great lady that passed a few years ago. Catholic churches kind of went up in WI just prior to the Civil War. Ours is 1859.
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Re: 1908 Bronze ashtray ID request

#4 Post by ffuries » Mon Dec 17, 2018 2:18 pm

Just a note the National Wholesale Druggists' Association or NWDA, was organized/established in 1876.

ETA: Definitely has that Art Nouveau look, and 1908 would place it during that period.
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Re: 1908 Bronze ashtray ID request

#5 Post by indy1919a4 » Mon Dec 17, 2018 2:22 pm

ffuries wrote:
Mon Dec 17, 2018 2:18 pm
Just a note the National Wholesale Druggists' Association or NWDA, was organized in 1876.
Ouch, now that was good...

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Re: 1908 Bronze ashtray ID request

#6 Post by 72 usmc » Mon Dec 17, 2018 4:05 pm

BINGO, the VI is a "W". I think you got it. The letters are W Then N, D, A. And my farm boy that threw it out into the dump may have been the local Lomillers druggist back in the 1900-1940 time period. I will have to check the 1900 & 1930 plat book for the farm name and look into my Meno. Falls history books to see who was the druggest back in the day. It kind of makes sense because I remember we found a ton of clear glass, cork topped, liquid prescription, drug store bottles with measuring marks on the sides in the dump ca.1910. Lots of different sizes. But they were worthless back in the late 1960's bottle collecting days. We had so many, we used them as targets with our .22 rifles. The dump was near the edge of a woods adjacent to a field near a rock line. Hats off to the USAF :dance: :dance:
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Re: 1908 Bronze ashtray ID request

#7 Post by ffuries » Mon Dec 17, 2018 5:27 pm

72 usmc wrote:
Mon Dec 17, 2018 4:05 pm
BINGO, the VI is a "W". I think you got it. The letters are W Then N, D, A. And my farm boy that threw it out into the dump may have been the local Lomillers druggist back in the 1900-1940 time period. I will have to check the 1900 & 1930 plat book for the farm name and look into my Meno. Falls history books to see who was the druggest back in the day. It kind of makes sense because I remember we found a ton of clear glass, cork topped, liquid prescription, drug store bottles with measuring marks on the sides in the dump ca.1910. Lots of different sizes. But they were worthless back in the late 1960's bottle collecting days. We had so many, we used them as targets with our .22 rifles. The dump was near the edge of a woods adjacent to a field near a rock line. Hats off to the USAF :dance: :dance:
MIKE, A big Thank You.
As a side note the NWDA held conventions every year, so this could be a souvenir from the 1908 convention.

No big deal on helping, I love mystery IDs like this. There is a "What Is It" section of a metal detecting forum that I love spending time in.
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