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 Post subject: Bolt Action Bullpup?!?!
PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 11:40 pm 
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apparently! Image
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dont really see any kind of advantage to this though

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Thats crazy, i was thinking about something like this just the other day.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 7:52 am 
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IF memory serves, I believe George S PATTON designed something like this for the M 1903, way back in his early career. Something to do with rifles for mechanized troops. Gotta admit, the guy was always thinkin'..

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Well with the long barrel it will be accurate and easy to handle in close quarters or the woods.

But for a rapid follow up shot, you would need someone to give you a reach around to get it done quickly.

Nope a crew served bolt action rifle is just a waste of a nice stock.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 12:13 pm 
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The bolt-action bullpup is not a new idea, of course. It has been tried many times....and always, two negative issues kill the idea. First, with the bolt handle so far to the rear, fast followup shots are impossible. One must remove the weapon from the shoulder, change one's grip of the weapon, cycle the bolt, then resume the firing position - and THEN and ONLY then, reacquire the target. Ridiculously cumbersome. Reloading is equally cumbersome, of course. In a military scenario, as a sniper weapon, all of this would require so much movement as to eliminate almost any possibility of maintaining concealment, which is vital to the very survival of a sniper. Second, the bullpup design requires that the sights or scope be jacked up WAY above the centerline of the barrel, which NEVER has anything but detrimental effects on accuracy, especially at long range, because of the introduction of excessive parallax into the system. Again, ridiculously cumbersome....and impractical. The ONLY advantage to this layout, in the bolt-action weapon, is the ease of handling, due to the short length....and the fact that a long barrel can be incorporated into such a design. Also, it may look "cool" to some. Other than that, the design is totally impractical.


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I'll agree with "a waste of a good stock." Bullpup designs are "tactical" by nature, not fancy sporters. Should use a laminate or a plain walnut stock for that job. I guess it would be good for the first shot, but if it's a single shot idea, why not use a single shot rifle? Now what I'd like to see doable is a pistol-grip Mauser with a nice tactical buttstock.

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Cant see the point to have a bullpup bolt action, just reaching back to cycle to bolt.


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Well I am just guessing on this one. If it would have worked and been a good idea we would have seen it a long time ago on some military bolt guns. I also have to say that’s the first time I have seen that done.

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What a waste of a good looking piece of maple.

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There was an experimental .303 rifle made as a bullpup. I have ONE photo in a book and this rifle is so obscure that even a google search on the Thornycroft carbine of 1901 will only give a few results.

Here's the best image and link:

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http://ww2chat.com/forums/weapons-technology-equipment/1259-thornycroft-bullpup-carbine.html

http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=Thornycroft+carbine&btnG=Google+Search&meta=

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So who made the experimental .303? the poms or the us cons.


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The poms. Note how the muzzle resembles a SMLE in profile. I couldn't imagine the US making a rifle (even a prototype) in .303. It would have been .30-40 Krag at least.

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Except for Savage #4s and P-14s

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Jeff S. wrote:
Except for Savage #4s and P-14s


They were contracted orders to an existing design. I was referring to a completely new design in my previous post.

Anyway, Thorneycroft are a British firm also known for high-performance water craft, such as PT Boats.

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