WW I Snead Victory Lamp- Morgan Explosion

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For the record :arrow: :arrow: :cry: THIS IS THE PROPER SOCKET on an Uncle Ed Lamp.
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The lower photo shows two sockets (Bryant)
The first is for a Victory Lamp; the second is for an Uncle Ed Lamp. Both are ORIGINAL. Notice the hole off to the base on the original socket -Dual purpose shuttle switch.
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A harsh comment "Stupid is as stupid does..." ring a bell? :violin: :violin: :(

It is a tragic shame what occurred to this poor lamp. It would have been worth something if left as is for a professional lamp restoration person to correct and restore. End of lecture. Sorry.
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I missed the helmet photos. So I added them because of some interesting points. Looks to be freshly sprayed paint. Not even an original finish. Is it a brass one? Or, is it a steel British one? Is it a reproduction ? Again no dents and wear to the helmet- its patina does not match a 100 year old lamp. Its condition does not match the condition of the shell body. It has definitely been recently repainted. The problem to restoration. The white interior would be next to impossible to remove back to the old, white, lead enamel. Will the new white paint come off to expose the old lead finish? Or would both be destroyed in a removal/restoration attempt to expose the original lead paint intact? Maybe even the lamp bulb clip was painted silver or is a new replacement part. :doh: :doh:
The freshly painted green can be removed from the brass. But I believe the helmet is still damaged beyond restoration. If this was truly an original brass Uncle Ed helmet, to do such changes to it is beyond nuts. One might as well polish or chrome the shell to complete the lunacy.
added 3 Dec. 2019 See lower post. This example actually sold at a crazy price $245 :confusion-scratchheadyellow: :scared-eek:
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I do not see chin strap anchors, but it is close to a British
???? Or is this an original Brass Uncle Ed helmet painted over??? If it is painted over brass; then it was an original, light weight, clip on, Uncle Ed helmet. I wonder. No folded edge. see last photo. No copper color to light bulb holder clamp like seen on an original. Remember, I have observed only two examples, so I am still unsure of the actual attributes found on an intact example.
Below is a reproduction Brodie helmet
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The Uncle Ed helmet is brass, not steel. The helmet's Lip is on the top, upper side of the edge- which is correct to the IMA lamp. This could be a posssible brass, Uncle Ed helmet that was repainted and really screwed up---this would really be a bad thing for a restoration. Just makes me sick!
The original, aged, patina and finish is gone. Maybe, it is some reproduction garbage???? Who knows??? Just too many questions, and this lamp has undergone some serious modifications to the point it is no longer considered an intact antique. I guess this a great example of what not to do to one of the 1,769 Uncle Eds lamps produced.
Below is a view of the IMA original Uncle Ed helmet in its intact finish.
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So the dust has settled on poorly restored Victory lamps. Time to switch subjects.
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Here is a very interesting new version of a" Victory" ashtray. While in poor condition, it sold fast. I made an offer and in the time that elapsed to get a reply, a lucky buyer paid the full BUY IT NOW price. I think that was $69 or $79 plus $15 shipping. I was cheep and did not think many would be after it because it was so beat; hence, I lost out. This is the first one I have seen marked 'PEACE". I have observed two other ones marked like the Victory lamp that also had the crazy decoration on the top edge. Most do not. Note, this has the brass base on the shell bottom. I am not sure if it's home made, or a factory version. The letter fonts seem to match for upper case letters. But stampings on the word "PEACE" and "75 MM" seem weak and lightly applied. There also appears to be a line under the date stamp. This I have never observed on these ashtrays. Is the date underlined? :think: The 7 & the 5 are very different from number fonts found on the lamps. I am not sure if the upper edge treatment is a factory production. Most Victory ashtrays have a smooth, milled edge.
Most have well stamped, deep lettering on the ashtray. This Peace example is in doubt. :shhh: :think: :think: :think:


This Victory ash tray reads:
" PEACE
Nov. 11 1918
75 MM
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Ebay pictures:


This is a recently sold eBay factory produced, "Victory" ashtray with what is considered a normal upper edge. Also not marked "Peace" -- a rare, little found version. The one shown below is the normal " Victory" version generally seen. However, ashtrays are rarer than lamps because there seems to be fewer made or at least offered for sale.
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Stumbled on this post, very interesting, and I am way back on the first page.
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In the book, The Road to the Armistice, by Richard J Connors, 2018 a foot note indicates some speculation on his part that lamps were made by the possible use of left over WW I shells rather than ones just from the explosion. Odd. I wonder the basis of this speculation.
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The original tag indicates different:
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Booth designed the parchment shade for the Morgan Lamp. No recent photos of an actual surviving specimen are known to exist. I have never seen a lamp with an intact shade.
There were two types of lamp shades offered. The first lamp shade type featured a metal doughboy helmet. The second one had an open top and was composed of Strathmore Vellum Parchment. The art work on the open top lamp shade was designed by Franklin Booth, a noted period artist best known for his stylized ink line drawings. It was open on the top to allow for the venting of the burned oil or burned gas.

Franklin designed the lamp shade to have a different mood depending on whether the lamp was lit or unlit. Without light, the shade portrayed a war scene. With light, the lamp transformed to a scene of peace. This was done by having artwork both on the outside of the lamp shade as well as the inside.
source:http://www.canadianflight.org/content/7 ... lery-shell




An interesting fact from an Auction Company. Here is the quote:

"Franklin Booth is best known for his illustrations, which appeared in major American publications of the period. His characteristic style of drawing that emulated the fine lines of a wood cut print is evident in the delineated profile of the present design. Booth's one other foray into lighting design was a 1920 patent for a lampshade design commemorating World War I, and to be used on the "Victory" lamps produced by Snead and Company of Morgan, New Jersey. That shade cleverly presented two scenes: when unlit a war scene illustration was visible on the exterior, when illuminated a peacetime scene would shine through from the interior. Less than a decade later, Booth's second lamp design (presented here) once again reflected contemporary American preoccupations in its adoption of a skyscraper form. This design is recorded under the United States patent number D78189 S, published April 9, 1929."
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source:https://www.phillips.com/detail/frankli ... 050214/232
The Phillips Auction Company. "Phillips is a premier destination for buyers and sellers of modern, post-war, contemporary, American and Latin American works of art in addition to watches, jewels, design, photographs, works on paper and editions. In 2020, the company’s New York branch will move its headquarters to 432 Park Avenue."
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So , I wonder what the value of an intact, Booth shade would be :whistle: :whistle: :whistle: ??????????
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Franklin Booth's shade for the Victory Lamp show on the flyer.
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The mongrel dog sold to someone with lots of cash ($280) and maybe had a spare lamp for parts :shhh: :think: :think: :think: :think:
Someone really wanted an Uncle Ed real, real, bad :doh: Wonder if it will be restored :?:
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Another Victory ashtray.

There are two versions that seem to be factory stamped ashtrays with the slightly different fonts, style, and size, the more commonly seen version has the wording:
I am not sure the Peace ashtray show above is a factory production.

VICTORY
Nov. 11, 1918
75 M/M Shell
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The other version is much harder to find and has the wording reversed:

75 M M Shell
VICTORY
Nov. 11, 1918
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I just obtained a nice specimen of the harder to find version like the one shown on the Morgan Explosion Web page:
https://www.morgan-nj.org/blog/sample-p ... -ash-tray/
...the ash tray was awarded a patent. Patent number 53,397 was filed on December 4, 1918 – exactly two months after the explosions which started on October 4th – and awarded on June 3, 1919.
Here is the majority of the text from the patent application:

“Be it known that I, ANGUS S. MACDONALD,...
Mine prior to cleaning the rust (as found) :
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Here are some pictures of this new one that is the hard version to buy:
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This ashtray has a nice even blackish brown patina like it may have been originally blued??
It is amazing what a PB blaster & Kroil Oil soak and a soft tooth brush will do to surface rust. It sat for 3 days. No one wanted it due to its poor condition and high shipping, but for 52 bucks I got a nice example that cleaned up well, it looks original as the day made. A rarely found version. This one came from an estate in Monroe, New York. It seems most are found out East. :doh: :dance: :clap: :D
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Some have asked. So here is the link to the Morgan NJ web page history: Morgan-nj.org ( https://www.morgan-nj.org/blog/ ) with a direct link to the Victory lamp history as shown on the web page and its many comments:
This web page has the history of the town, pictures, people, and Explosion. The book posted on page 1 is excellent.

Victory Lamp
https://www.morgan-nj.org/blog/sample-p ... tory-lamp/
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From the official Gazette of the US Patent Office about inventions/designs of ANGUS S. MACDONALD (Designer of the ashtray) from 22 April 1919, page 780. Some interesting drawings of Victory lamps . See the cloth shade on the upper photo, not the helmet or parchment shade, and then the second photo is the short Uncle Ed lamp . A specimen that I own and is shown on page 9. The Uncle Ed versions are extremely difficult to find and command a very high price.
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AS FOUND WW I 1919 VICTORY LAMP

An unheard of find. No fool messed with it.
For those that have way to much cash to get rid of and want an as found, in original condition, unmodified specimen of a normal WW I Snead Victory Lamp, one was recently posted on flee bay. Almost all examples have been poorly restored. However, this is a very nice specimen in "as found condition" and I am posting the owners photos of it for a record of what constitutes an unbelievable nice find:
Note: This lamp has the original cord & maybe the plug, original Bryant socket, and a correct, but somewhat later 1930s screw on shade holder. It is missing the paper tag, but has the white rubber ring that is most likely rock hard. And What a nice patina to the shell & brass. WINNER :clap: :clap:

How sweet it is!
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More of the same specimen.
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This lamp was posted 30 Jan 2020 and it will be gone in less than 5 days...
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It sold in two days , must have been an offer. Sold at $140.
Some one got a nice lamp.
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Another lamp, but again repainted. Poorly at that. Lets paint over the original rusty finish! :doh: What is with people and spray paint- we need a 5 day waiting period on cans of paint. Wrong socket, (Pull chain) but at least a vintage one, and the wrong cord and plug. Unfortunately, the paper label is missing and as found on most lamps, the rubber base ring is rock hard from age. But this example is not bad for parts at the low starting price of $50, however shipping is $25 :shhh: :shhh:
I assume at that shipping cost the seller is really going to pack it well, so it arrives intact. I'd have them dissemble the parts for shipping to preserve the cone & base.

Complete, but repainted specimen- Perfect for parts
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Notice second coat of paint up too the brass ring
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Sold price $91
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