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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 11:53 pm 
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So, now I have a Chinese (Zhoungzhou Machine) Cowboy hammer double barreled shotgun, 3" chambers.
(Please, no wise-cracks, it's my first shotgun) :D
I go to "Joe's" and look at all of the shot types; steel, hevi-shot, lead, etc.
What can I shoot, besides lead, through these "soft" barrels without hurting it beyond repair?

I have picked up several boxes of 2-3/4" shells with various pellet loads (6, 7-1/2, 8, 00-buck).
All lead of course.

What are the hevi-shot pellets? It stated that they were copper plated BB-shot.
Would love to try them, but is it going to tear out the inside of those barrels?

Thanks Guys, you always seem to help, in heaps.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 12:56 am 
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Hevi-Shot is used for hunting and is very expensive compared to standard lead shot. What are you intending on shooting with your gun? If we knew that, we would have a better idea of what kind of shot you should use.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 1:06 am 
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If the barrel says Lead Only I would use Lead Shot

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 1:17 am 
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Rob wrote:
If the barrel says Lead Only I would use Lead Shot


Gotta go with Rob on this..

Hope you dont plan on using it in a Protected Wildlife, or Restricted hunting area, that does not allow lead shot..

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 6:24 am 
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hevi-shot is TUNGSTEN! Do not use it in a barrel marked lead only. If you aren't using it on waterfowl or coyotes why spend $2 a round anyway? :shock:
steel and hevi-steel would also be BAD
tungsten-iron and Remington HD and Federal Heavywieght and whatever winchester calls theirs are all heavy and hard tungsten- nickel iron derivitives and you should AVOID
the only other thing besides lead I can think of to use in a lead only barrel would be BISMUTH, which is soft like lead,
KENT IMPACT is a softer type of polymer tungsten - might be ok, and there is a new hevishot called "classic double" which, I THINK, is a softer like-lead version of hevi-shot.
In those cases the only reason to use them is hunting waterfowl or on a no-lead area or that you don't want the chance of a family member swallowing a lead pellet in a squirrel or rabbit, etc.
For all of those (bismuth, tungsten, etc) plan on $2 a shell.
Good luck and enjoy!


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 9:27 am 
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If it says "lead shot only" that is exactly what it means. Any other shot will have adverse effects on the barrel like scoring it or bulging it and at the least will stretch out your choke.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 11:59 am 
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Lead, Bismuth and I believe (don't quote me on this) Tungsten polymer and Tungsten Matrix are safe. Hevi-shot is harder than steel and definately not safe in your gun. The best reference for all things shotgun as well as hard to find loads and shells is Ballistic Products Incorporated (use your google). Anything safe for a Belgian Browning or vintage double should be safe in your gun. They will probably have a reference right on their webpage. If not, shoot them an e-mail, they are very helpful.

If you're going waterfowl hunting or hunting upland game on Fed. WMA or WPA Lands, and plan on doing any amount of shooting at all, you'd probably be better off searching for an inexpensive pumpgun like a Mossberg 500 or Rem. SP that allows steel shot use. They can be found for the price of 5 boxes of bismuth cartridges. It will pay for itsself in a couple of hunting seasons.

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OK, folks, thanks much for all of the replies, I appreciate those thoughts.

Lead Only, Yep, that's what I plan to use.

What to shoot at? Well at first just targets, to get the hang of it all. Just not into Ducks/Geese, etc.

I'll look into Bismuth and similar type loads.

What about slugs??? :D

Thanks Again.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 10:42 pm 
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BartSr wrote:
What about slugs??? :D


What kind of choke does this gun have (if any)?


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CollectEmAll wrote:
BartSr wrote:
What about slugs??? :D


What kind of choke does this gun have (if any)?


None. Straight Barrels. This is the exposed hammer coach knock-off.

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Still the barrel should tell the choke? Open, Full, Modified, Improved, Cylinder, or Improved Cylinder. If the barrels say Open Bore then slugs should be OK

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BartSr wrote:
CollectEmAll wrote:
BartSr wrote:
What about slugs??? :D


What kind of choke does this gun have (if any)?


None. Straight Barrels. THis is the exposed hammer coach knock-off.



If it has Cylinder chokes (a.k.a. no chokes) then slugs should work fine.


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lead shot only as others have said


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I once heard that if you can drop a dime down the bore and have it fall all the way through it is not a full choke. That would be an easy way of insuring it is not full choke at least. If you have vernier calipers you could check the end of the barrel. full choke is around 0.689", modified 0.710", cylinder about 0.720". a dime is easier.http://surplusrifleforum.com/posting.ph ... 6&t=74140#


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What kind of choke does this gun have (if any)?


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If it has Cylinder chokes (a.k.a. no chokes) then slugs should work fine.


Here's what I found:
Manufactured in the world’s most populous nation by Zonghzou Machine Works, this JW-2000 model double barrel shotgun
is imported by our old Vermont friends, Century International Arms. This is a Remington-type traditional Rabbit Ear
or double hammer side-by-side, 3 inch chamber, 20 inch .620 Cylinder Bore both tubes. It is, of course, brand new in its
original rice-paper box, complete with instruction manual. These are well fitted shotguns with strong actions.
Buttstock and forend are dark-stained hardwood checkered and have a close appearance to walnut.
Factory specs are 35.75 inches OAL, 20 inch barrels, and 6.5 pounds empty. Own this fine shotgun for only $ xxx.xx.

Actually, mine is Blonde wood, labeled: SPM-12, did not come in rice-paper but in a broken styrofoam container (inside of a box).
The instruction manual is for another shotgun and not this one. The checkering is reminiscent of the M1895 Nagant
checkering (rough). No mention of any chokes or any such thing.

An American dime swims around in the end of either barrel, very loosely. :D

My Pictures
http://www.geocities.com/idezilla/SPM-12/Cowboy.html

Paul

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