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Re: Lee-Enfield System

#31 Post by Tommy Atkins » Mon Apr 09, 2018 10:39 am

Whereabouts? In the U.S.?

Parts suppliers,
http://www.e-sarcoinc.com/leeenfield.aspx

http://www.valmontfirearms.co.uk/Leeenfield.html

http://www.gunpartscorp.com/Manufact...ield-33496.htm

Not sure if he's still operating, but try
BDL LTD
410 Meeting Street Road
Edgefield, SC 29824
Phone/Fax: +1 (803) 637-5784
bdlltd@bellsouth.net

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#32 Post by Alan De Enfield » Tue Apr 10, 2018 4:09 am

06Rifleman wrote:
Sun Apr 08, 2018 6:33 pm
Hello, I was just inquiring as to whether or not there are any companies that specialize in Lee Enfield rifles like CanWest Sport Distributors www.lee-enfieldrifles.com still in business? Any gunsmiths familiar with the Lee Enfield rifle platform would also be greatly appreciated. I'm just looking for contact information on any company/anyone that works on Lee Enfield rifles. Thanks in advance for any and all thoughts, opinions, or answers.

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#33 Post by englishman_ca » Sat Jul 07, 2018 9:56 am

Interesting carbine.

LEC is as you deduced Lee Enfield Carbine. There were a number of variations.

What you have started out as an 1898 Lee Enfield cavalry carbine. It was converted into a Royal Irish Constabulary carbine, witnessed by the bushing fitted to the muzzle. This is so that the thin lightweight barrel of the cav carbine could mount a P1888 bayonet, the barrel being too small to fit the bayonet ring.


How does it shoot?

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P1892 trials cavalry carbine (one of 100 made)
1894 Lee Metford cavalry carbine
1896 Lee Enfield cavalry carbine
1902 New Zealand carbine (missing top hand guard)
1901 Royal Irish Constabulary carbine (a factory conversion)

There is one more official conversion, that being a Baltic carbine conversion of the CLLE rifle, but rare as rare can be.
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#34 Post by indy1919a4 » Sat Jul 07, 2018 11:43 am

Damn fine rifles,, So what is the story on why it is so rare????

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#35 Post by Tommy Atkins » Sat Jul 07, 2018 12:23 pm

indy1919a4 wrote:
Sat Jul 07, 2018 11:43 am
Damn fine rifles,, So what is the story on why it is so rare????
The whole gory story here:
http://firearms.net.au/military/index2. ... &itemid=95

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#36 Post by indy1919a4 » Mon Jul 09, 2018 9:14 am

Tommy Atkins wrote:
Sat Jul 07, 2018 12:23 pm
indy1919a4 wrote:
Sat Jul 07, 2018 11:43 am
Damn fine rifles,, So what is the story on why it is so rare????
The whole gory story here:
http://firearms.net.au/military/index2. ... &itemid=95
Many thanks, I do need to find out more on that Rare Baltic conversion you showed.. What is its story and why so rare???

Only thing cooler then an original untouched rifle is one that has been taken and converted by another Country to fit their needs..
Now the one Enfield conversion that comes to mind is the Turk Enfauser.. But I really like the look of that Baltic conversion also..

Now here is a loaded question.. Anyone know of some more Enfield official conversions like this???

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Re: Lee-Enfield System

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#38 Post by boltactionbill » Thu Jan 24, 2019 2:38 pm

Would this rifle be using the older black powder rounds or the newer cordite ammo?

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#39 Post by Tommy Atkins » Fri Jan 25, 2019 10:29 am

The Mk II round-nosed bullet was found to be unsatisfactory when used in combat, particularly when compared to the dum-dum rounds issued in limited numbers in 1897 during the Chitral and Tirah expeditions of 1897/98 on the North West Frontier of India.[11] This led to the introduction of the Cartridge S.A. Ball .303 inch Cordite Mark III, basically the original 215-grain (13.9 g) bullet with the jacketing cut back to expose the lead in the nose.[11] Similar hollow-point bullets were used in the Mk IV and Mk V loadings, which were put into mass production. The design of the Mk IV hollow-point bullet shifted bullet weight rearwards, improving stability and accuracy over the regular round-nose bullet.[11] These soft-nosed and hollow-point bullets, while effective against human targets, had a tendency to shed the outer metal jacket upon firing; the latter occasionally stuck in the bore, causing a dangerous obstruction.[11] The Hague Convention of 1899[11] later declared that use of expanding bullets against signatories of the convention was inhumane, and as a result the Mk III, Mk IV, and Mk V were withdrawn from active service. The remaining stocks (over 45 million rounds) were used for target practice.

The concern about expanding bullets was brought up at the 1899 Hague Convention by Swiss and Dutch representatives. The Swiss were concerned about small arms ammunition that "increased suffering", and the Dutch focused on the British Mark III .303 loading in response to their treatment of Boer settlers in South Africa. The British and American defense was that they should not focus on specific bullet designs, like hollow-points, but instead on rounds that caused "superfluous injury". The parties in the end agreed to abstain from using expanding bullets. As a result, the Mark III and other expanding versions of the .303 were not issued during the Second Boer War (1899–1902). Boer guerrillas allegedly used expanding hunting ammunition against the British during the war, and New Zealand Commonwealth troops may have brought Mark III rounds with them privately after the Hague Convention without authorization.[12]

To replace the Mk III, IV, and V, the Mark VI round was introduced in 1904, using a round nose bullet similar to the Mk II, but with a thinner jacket designed to produce some expansion, though this proved not to be the case.[13][14]
IIRC the cordite but RN bullet, not the Mk VII.

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#40 Post by Alan De Enfield » Sat Jan 26, 2019 4:28 am

Tommy Atkins wrote:
Fri Jan 25, 2019 10:29 am
The Mk II round-nosed bullet was found to be unsatisfactory when used in combat, particularly when compared to the dum-dum rounds issued in limited numbers in 1897 during the Chitral and Tirah expeditions of 1897/98 on the North West Frontier of India.[11] This led to the introduction of the Cartridge S.A. Ball .303 inch Cordite Mark III, basically the original 215-grain (13.9 g) bullet with the jacketing cut back to expose the lead in the nose.[11] Similar hollow-point bullets were used in the Mk IV and Mk V loadings, which were put into mass production. The design of the Mk IV hollow-point bullet shifted bullet weight rearwards, improving stability and accuracy over the regular round-nose bullet.[11] These soft-nosed and hollow-point bullets, while effective against human targets, had a tendency to shed the outer metal jacket upon firing; the latter occasionally stuck in the bore, causing a dangerous obstruction.[11] The Hague Convention of 1899[11] later declared that use of expanding bullets against signatories of the convention was inhumane, and as a result the Mk III, Mk IV, and Mk V were withdrawn from active service. The remaining stocks (over 45 million rounds) were used for target practice.

The concern about expanding bullets was brought up at the 1899 Hague Convention by Swiss and Dutch representatives. The Swiss were concerned about small arms ammunition that "increased suffering", and the Dutch focused on the British Mark III .303 loading in response to their treatment of Boer settlers in South Africa. The British and American defense was that they should not focus on specific bullet designs, like hollow-points, but instead on rounds that caused "superfluous injury". The parties in the end agreed to abstain from using expanding bullets. As a result, the Mark III and other expanding versions of the .303 were not issued during the Second Boer War (1899–1902). Boer guerrillas allegedly used expanding hunting ammunition against the British during the war, and New Zealand Commonwealth troops may have brought Mark III rounds with them privately after the Hague Convention without authorization.[12]

To replace the Mk III, IV, and V, the Mark VI round was introduced in 1904, using a round nose bullet similar to the Mk II, but with a thinner jacket designed to produce some expansion, though this proved not to be the case.[13][14]
IIRC the cordite but RN bullet, not the Mk VII.
It is also interesting that the use of the wooden 'filler' in the nose of the 303 round was 'frowned upon' as wood splinters getting into the would / could cause infection.

Never mind his arm has just been blown off, he might get some germs in the stump !!!!!
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