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#241 Post by OLDGUNNER1 » Fri Jun 14, 2019 1:58 pm

https://www.pagosahotsprings.com/

Pagosa Springs down town – This is the biggest tourist attraction in town. The hot springs is billed as the deepest hot springs in the world with a temperature at the surface of 140 degrees. The town is heated with it’s water in the winter but they are just getting around to making some heated green houses for growing vegetables. They say that a lead weight on a wire hits the side of the spring at just over 2000 feet and won’t drop any lower so they don’t know how deep it really is.

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#242 Post by OLDGUNNER1 » Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:16 pm

https://www.bing.com/search?q=a6%20intr ... 968D15656C

Okay, here is the plane that I worked with after I left the F-104 program. It’s claim to fame maybe that it took off with 36 one thousand pound concrete dummy bombs. The B-52’s typical bomb load can be about 64 or so thousand pounds

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#243 Post by OLDGUNNER1 » Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:25 pm

https://www.bing.com/search?q=ford+trim ... =QBRE&sp=1

Here it the first air plane that I have flown in 1938. I have a picture around here somewhere that my mother took of me setting on my dad’s lap in the plane.

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#244 Post by OLDGUNNER1 » Sat Jun 15, 2019 4:06 pm

https://www.avgeekery.com/six-things-yo ... -intruder/

From the F-104’s I went to work on the Grumman A6’s. I spent the full summer of 1966 at the Grumman Calverton plant getting familiar with the Grumman A6’s and then to NAS Norfolk for the Grumman C2-E’s and then arrived at NAS Cubi Point in the Philippines in Dec of 66. I really liked the Philippines and worked there for 21 years. In the video about the A6, it mentions the bombing of the power plant in Hanoi. This was a bombing mission of the A6 in which the bombing computer was programed on board the carrier off Vietnam in which it’s computer flew the A6 from the deck of the carrier to the power plant and dropped the bombs on the power plant. I was not on that carrier at that time. These computers at the time were very basic and as far as I know this was the only time anything this accurate happened.

In 1953, in the Air Force, I went to my first Navigation System maintenance school which was on the Q-13 system on the B-17’s and possible the B-24’s. Actually the Q-13 was not a bombing system but a radar navigation system. The actual bombing sight was called the Norden Bomb Sight.
https://www.bing.com/search?q=norden+bo ... =QBRE&sp=6

A side story about this bombing sight...the famous B-25 raid on Tokyo was to be at an altitude too low for this sight to work and an Air Force guy made a little mechanical version of the optical Norden sight for a dollar something each, this article says 20 cents, and these were used on those B-25’s and nick-named the Mark Twain Sight. http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/ ... bombsight/
I never have gotten around to making one. My version would include ‘all’ of the necessary inputs – more of the Monday Morning Quarter Backing.

Flash Back – to years ago...Wernher von Braun’s Mother...”Varner, you missed school again today.” “Yes, Mama, but only by a few yards.”

I went to a class one time and the instructor was an ex-weapons code writer and told him that I was trying make a cheap Chronometer for measuring bullet velocity and he showed me how to make one from a regular four function calculator and I lost the paper and forgot how. Maybe someone out there can show us how.

Just in passing - - This is an article on the LN-3 Inertial Navigation systems that I worked on at the Litton plant in Beverly Hills and later in the field on the planes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LN-3_iner ... ion_system

This was actually one of the first Inertial Navigation Systems ever developed and now these use basically the same idea but with more sophisticated inputs, such as Astro inputs as on the SR-71’s.

A funny side story of the SR-71...My daughter got out of high school when I was in the Philippines and went to work at a McDonnell's in Phoenix but being a smarty pants she wanted to prove that she could do the same job as I, and by golly she did. She went to school on the Astro Inertial Guidance System used on the SR-71’s, and got a job with the SR-71’s at Beale AFB in California. One time she came to Okinawa with a squadron of SR-71’s and while there got a hop down to the Philippines for a visit with me. I have a picture of her with a SR-71 some where, I’ll find it

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#245 Post by OLDGUNNER1 » Sat Jun 15, 2019 4:26 pm

https://www.bing.com/images/search?view ... &eim=1,2,6

I found a copy of the SR-71 photo with my daughter here on a youtube. She is just in there – I forget where. And I can’t blow it up right now. When I find the original that she gave me I might be able to do something with it.

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#246 Post by OLDGUNNER1 » Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:08 am

This n’ That....

https://www.nist.gov/news-events/news/2 ... omic-clock

It looks like this clock is your new time standard since 2014. More correctly it is a frequency standard. The regular time duration of an earth day changes all of the time due to the liquid center of the earth slushing around and the friction with our atmosphere but this cesium frequency standard is not effected by this. Another example of a misnomer that is just passed around and most people take for granted, is that our moon has no atmosphere...what nonsense. Of course our moon has an atmosphere, it is just less than here on our earth. When one hears someone say this, asked them just where do they think that our atmosphere quits, at what altitude? Our atmosphere doesn’t just magically disappear at a certain altitude.
I started working with the HP ( Huelet Packard) cesium atomic clock as soon as is came out. Actually they was a time between then and 1999, it says, that the US frequency standard was controlled by the Krypton atom, but not for the US military. They just stuck with the Cesium standard – they were close. The saying that, “It’s close enough for government work,” is correct in this case. Different work area’s have their own accuracy requirements. While I worked in Guam for two years, the navy always wanted to know what time it was and I was tasked with having the correct time any time they asked. Time is used for the basis for correct navigation. At the time their requirement was within 0.040 seconds - that’s 40 milliseconds. A women at the time working at the Naval Observatory in Washington DC calculated the time by observing the stars at night. And she would send a guy to go out around the world to military establishes every so often to check our time standards, and the most that I was ever off from her time was 1.4 microseconds. That’s 1.4 millionths of a second. Actually my time was sent to her every day so any mistake could be caught as soon as possible. This was one of my little side jobs that took 15 minutes every morning. As I said the time varies because the earth slows down by a second every 2 or 3 years and every clock, good clocks, are changed by this one second. It is called a ‘leap second’ year.

https://www.bing.com/search?q=Leap%20se ... 2C70664658

At the time, 1975, I was working for the DoD and someone in the Pentagon thought that one should have to come back to the states from an over sea’s assignment every five years for two years for, “Physiological readjustment,” and I had just completed a 5 year tour in the PI. And the navy was having trouble with their time in Guam and blamed a guy at our Guam lab for this trouble, and it was not this guy’s fault at all. It was just one second class sailor who was making the mistake. And the navy being as they are, had no one to figure this out. I was sent to Guam for two years just because of this problem. My new boss in Guam gave me a month to become familiar with the equipment and then pointed to a spot on our lab floor and a said, “Tell me the distance from this spot to the radio tower on the top of the Tokyo Tower in Japan." It took me 15 minutes and I did it only once because I had confidence in the equipment and my calculations. I gave him the distance that I got, and he looked at his paper and smiled and said, ‘That’s close enough,” and put the paper back in his pocket. I said “Come on let’s see the paper.” I was 15 inches from the distance from what a Geodetic team from the states got after 7 moonless nights measuring this same distance from there to Tokyo. I remember it was 1800 and some miles. And I later I found out that Guam was moving 3 inches a year on the surface of the earth but it didn’t give the direction.
And during WWll a regular GI wrist watch was all that was necessary to get those bombers from England to Berlin and back.

Can one imagine that the earth is suspected to be all liquid except for 20 miles or so of the crust. I can see other estimates of this distance. That’s how slow the earth has cooled in the past 4.5 billion years. And that is what keeps the hot water coming up every day in town in the hot springs – a lot of hot stuff under us.

I am having trouble with addition to this. I'll just add with a different posting.

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#247 Post by OLDGUNNER1 » Sun Jun 16, 2019 2:37 pm

https://www.nist.gov/pml/time-and-frequ ... ations/wwv

This is where the US Civilian time standard time is broadcasted from. If one wants to know just what time it is in the US, just tune into it. There are crooked stock traders right now on Wall Street that use this to steal millions every day and I understand that it is not curtailed. What they do is delay stock trading information by a few microseconds and buy and sell stock just before it hits the open market by computer. In other words, insider trading by deception. The people that perpetrate this know more about it than the proper authorities.

This is one particular area of the hacking where false information is given out to cause the price changes. This of course has been done long before computer days as standard procedure. Insider trading is what all congressional elections are about. I should not comment further.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/bus ... bb408857a2

Notice near the end where it is mentioned, “...thousands of transactions made in the blink of an eye.” The parties involved have to know the time very closely.

Information on this is pretty well hidden as much as possible and this guy’s explanation may not be clear to most.

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=st ... ORM=VRDGAR

But for every dollar that the traders make has to come from someone that is not paying attention.

This covers the normal stock delay practice. I can’t find any information right now on the really fast elicit computer trading practice – they do want to keep this information as secret as they can.

https://www.gobankingrates.com/investin ... ck-quotes/

Here is where the US military time comes from. The time standard for the rest of the world is determined by some clocks in Paris.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_St ... bservatory

Mathematics is not an exact science. Everything about it are ‘estimations’. I think that all mathematical formulae give only estimated results, Does anyone know of any mathematics that will give ‘exact’ answerers....I can’t. Mathematics is a ‘paper tool’. In 1967 I started working for the US Navy Metrology Department and did until I retired in 1995. Our group was small, usually about 175 in the field with maybe 12 in the office at Patuxent River Naval Test Center. The Navy Metrology Engineering Center is much larger and more encompassing.

In about 1960 I read a feature article in a scientific magazine...The feature article was titled...’It can’t be proven that 2 plus 2 = 4, but it can be proven that it probable doesn’t’. At the time this was way over my head. Just because it can be written on paper, doesn’t make it so. The gist of this is if one wants to add 2 of anything to 2 more, they must have ’exactly’ 4 of something to start with and this is physically impossible. This will work only on paper. There is a physical rule that there are no two equal things on this earth – they can be close but not exactly equal.

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#248 Post by OLDGUNNER1 » Sun Jun 16, 2019 2:47 pm

https://time.gov/

TIME

Take in consideration of the delay and remember, if you have two clocks, you don’t know what time it is. One can add this to their desk top

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#249 Post by OLDGUNNER1 » Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:09 pm

OLDGUNNER1 wrote:
Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:56 pm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_W ... lying_aces

I just came across this list of aerial aces and of course I don’t know the validity of it but, it sure says a lot. To me it indicates that the German air aces that accrued records like this did it because of luck or skill. I realize that the German philosophy was to let the pilots that were good keep right on doing this job as long as they could where the US idea was to bring back the higher aces to the states and teach other pilots in air to air combat skills. But even though that being said, how could all of those German pilots get to 100 to 0, 200 to 0 and 300 to 0 aerial kills without being killed way before this? I will say that ‘luck’ could absolutely, unequivocally be ruled out as for the reason. So that leaves skill. I would think that there was a whole bunch of ‘skill’ involved. Now why did the US, or the other allied counties allow their pilots to go up against these German pilots with ‘apparently’ so ill trained pilots. I realize that our side did destroy the German Air Force due to out-numbering them, and the US pilots were well enough trained, but due to the basic ground rules that our pilots had to adhere to and the Germans pilots didn’t, this allowed that some, a lot, of German pilots just kept right on scoring kills without being hit themselves. And I think that I have the reason why. Years ago I read an article about Hartmann, the one with 352 kills. The article as it was said, Hartmann’s air craft mechanic told him to attach an enemy aircraft only if he had three advantages, altitude, speed and surprise, and Hartmann did just this and started to rack up the kills. And Adolf Hitler had him sent to Berlin so Hitler could congratulate him personally. And Hitler ask him if he could do anything for him and he said yes, Let me go my own way when it comes to attacking enemy aircraft. He told Hitler that he had learned that the three advantage thing had kept him alive and Hitler bought it. He had to be alone and not be with a formation to be a surprise, etc. He could get his altitude more quickly by himself. And when he dived on an enemy plane, he had the speed advantage. If he made the kill, okay, if not he had the speed to keep on going and get the heck out of there and outrun anyone. He had lost the surprise and altitude advantage and he didn’t have to stick around and mix it up with the fighter escorts or enemy fighter formations and take the chance of getting shot down. Anyway he knew that the general way the US ran it’s fighter escorts is that they shouldn’t pursue him and stick with the bombers. He could go around and keep doing this. Now of course all of his situations were not the best but he had this permission to choose his own fighting technique. With the US attitude toward aerial combat this was a no-no. Therefore looking at this list of the German kills I would say that this attitude may have been used by more than just him. No fighter pilot can just have this much luck if they mix it up an enemy fighter. I know enough about flying to understand the merits of this. And I know that the advantage we had was all of these factories here in the states with no bombings to interrupt their cranking out the planes as we did. I had a coworker at Douglas Air Craft that told me that he worked at the Long Beach, California Douglas plant at the time and they were making 10 C-47’s and 3 B-17’s per day, and these factories were all over the US. And I remember his story about there were no factory test flights of the planes. There were Army flight crews that just jumped in after they were gassed up and took off and if they found nothing wrong or too bad with the plane they just flew it off to their assigned field.

It were things like this that allowed these high scoring German aces to keep shooting them down and still lose the war, and of course of all the blunders that Hitler made. What a list, huh?
Just what do you think about this one-sided aerial scoring list?

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#250 Post by OLDGUNNER1 » Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:38 pm

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/new ... lions.html

This is an article on what I was talking about – more clearly explained.

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