Dutch Beaumont Cleaning Rod pictures??

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Dutch Beaumont Cleaning Rod pictures??

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I just acquired a correct all matching Beaumont that cake with a cleaning rod. I have no idea if it is an original Beaumont cleaning rod or not. Does anyone have a picture of what they actually look like?? Thanks.
Here’s what mine looks like. Any ideas? Doesn’t look right to me.
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Found this one. I’m thinking mine isn’t correct.
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Re: Dutch Beaumont Cleaning Rod pictures??

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Me thinkest a home made cleaning rod :roll: :doh: :doh: to sell a rifle.

These 3 views are of original cleaning rod tips, added but these may have been added . Some suggest these are Werndle cleaning rods added by the importers because most Beaumonts came in missing the cleaning rods and the werndle rod was added. More research is needed. Talk to a Beaumont collector and get the correct data. http://stores.butchsantiquegunparts.com ... aning-rod/
See this example Dutch Beaumont Model 1871/88 with a Werndle type rod. So those must fit and have the same threads???
https://www.libertytreecollectors.com/p ... duct=11188
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Another 1871/88 close up
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And another similar example fromm Mil collectors specimen
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Dutch Beaumont-Vitali M1871 Also an original
crown marked
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DUTCH BEAUMONT-VITALI M. 1871-88 INFANTRY RIFLE REPRODUCTION CLEANING ROD.
$85 No crown mark
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Here is a reproduction that is cheep $45
https://www.ssfirearms.com/proddetail.asp?prod=MP268
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Ok. So the crown marked rod is an original rod?

So of the two reproduction rods you showed, which one would you recommend? I finally got my hands on a nice and correct rifle. I’d hate to leave it hanging without a correct rod.
Is there a link to that $85 rod?

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72 usmc wrote:
Sat Apr 25, 2020 12:25 am
Here is a reproduction that is cheep $45
https://www.ssfirearms.com/proddetail.asp?prod=MP268
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I checked this one out. Any idea of the difference in quality of these $45 rods compared to the $85 rods?

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No, I do not own a Beaumont. No help. I have not purchased or seen these reproduction cleaning rods. Lets hope others can give you some input. (There appears to be two different types of beaumont cleaning rods depending on the 1871 or the 1871/88. Do more research to see what is correct for your rifle and which rod is more common. Not so SEE my new info about Werndle rod substitutions)
The crown marks i showed are from an intact matching rifle. Do a search under Dutch Beaumonts and you will see some nice rifles and close up of the original cleaning rods. None show your home made rod type. I actually collect Turk and K98 mauser cleaning rods.

I do not like reproductions. Here is some first hand observations. I purchased a reproduction Arasaka and never again.
Any reproduction rod is not the same quality steel as an original. For example, An Arasaka reproduction bends very easy, the original rod is stiffer and can not bend as easy. A way to test is to try to bend one, a reproduction will bend very easy. Milling is never correct. On reproduction springfield 58 cal. musket bayonets the metal is also soft & bends real easy. You can stick a rifle with a bayonet in the ground upright with an original bayonet and it stays put. I had a friend do this with a reproduction Indian bayonet and it bent over and the rifle fell down.
The K98 reproduction cleaning rods that the old owner of Classic, about 20 years ago, had special made for their RC imports look nuts on and were of a strong metal; perfect. With aging no one knows they are fakes they were made too good. But this is rare. But most now have an incorrect blue or paint and low grade metal, wrong marks & milling.

Very few reproduction Beaumont cleaning rods are found, and I think both are the same- made by the same people. They may look OK, but I bet they are not the same quality as original rods. Not crown marked. You will not know till you buy one. They can be aged with tarnish solutions to look original, but sometimes its cheep steel and the threads can also be incorrect for the cleaning rod nut. This is common on Mauser and Arasaka reproductions-threads just are a little different. I always try to get originals, but some times this can take a year or two of searching for rare models. Some guys are specialists and make perfect, strong Arisaka or K98 rods- these cost much more than ones found on eBay. I would think there is only one maker of those Beamount reproductions. It depends on how cherry your rifle is ? A refinished dog with poor bore or a nice example? Guys like IMA or Liberytreecollectors come up with originals- it just takes time and cash. I see very few original cleaning rods at gun shows . Parts have just dried up.

I would go for the cheeper rod as a "make do" till you can find an original. First, See if the threads fit, you may have to clean out the rifles rod nut. Do not force it in if it does not screw in or an original rod may never again. You may have to make a make do cleaning rod nut to fit the new reproduction rod . Do not mess up the original rifle's nut- keep it intact if you plan for an original rod. Then you got to age the end and shaft of the reproduction, Ding up and round down the edges or the rod. Then Age the reproduction rod with a yellow mustard, apple cider vinegar and rock salt solution. As long as no one pulls it out and flexes or bends the rod it should be ok as a looker. Most patina is at the end that stick out. That should do ya. If & when an original is found, you snap it up and sell off the fake. If you look close you can see the difference to the milling angles on the reproductions in the photos shown. The 840 marked rod is original the lower green photo is a fake. Actually the $45 rod seems to have better milling than the $85 reproduction??? after some reading it appears most of these rifles came in lacking cleaning rods and the importers used Werndle cleaning rods in the rifles so this rod may not actually be correct for a beaumont see a Werndle Rod here, http://stores.butchsantiquegunparts.com ... aning-rod/

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https://www.antiquefirearms.com/pages/rods.htm

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/paralla ... 23807.html
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I believe this to be a correct Beaumont cleaning rod, not a Werndle addition for a missing rod. It seem most of these Dutch rifles are missing the correct cleaning rod. see this high end auction lots of pics of a mint specimen This would be a nice rifle to own :dance: :clap:
https://www.bolk-antiques.nl/inventory/ ... on-1805543
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Also see this link. Pics way at the bottom of a correct rod type :dance: http://www.militaryrifles.com/Holland/Beaumont.htm
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I sure appreciate such in-depth explanation about these rods. I will most likely just get the cheap reproduction to act as a stand in until I can get my hands on a real one.
I think it would be appropriate to finish this rifle with an original rod as I believe I got myself a really nice “correct” Beaumont finally. I guess I better post pictures here so the experts can chime in and let me know if I did well or if my name is once again MUD.

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I contacted the older gentleman in Canada who used to make several varieties of cLeaning rods. He is no longer in business but had three Beaumont rods left. I got all three.

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